Hey Plain Ol'! You and your pal Chaz Hagee should (and will!) sit around in the Tennessee Hills and chit-chat about the movement then Plain Ol'. Ya'll two are similar in an number of different respects.
At least I have documented the very moment when folks like you (And that fat pussle gutted ignoramus Chaz Hagee) were able to redefine the term, and it's flat out ridiculous! Moreover, most Christian Americans see through such horse hockey, and know the real reasoning for such an attack........The old adage, "Keep your right hand busy, and never let them see what you are doing with your left hand" comes to mind..... But go ahead and think that in Christian Churches across the Nation, we're all sitting around planning our great move to the Israeli desert! On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 11:34 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > There really isn't such a thing as "Christian Zionism" > --- > your ignorance has been noted again. > > *Christian Zionism* is a belief among some Christians > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity> that the return of the Jews > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew> to the Holy Land > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land>, and the establishment of the State > of Israel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel> in 1948, is in accordance > with Biblical <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible> prophecy > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy>. The term Christian Zionism began > to be used in the mid-20th century, superseding *Christian Restorationism* > .[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-1>[2] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-2> > > Hippolytus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolytus_of_Rome>[3] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-hippol-3> and > Irenaeus <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus>[4] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-iren-4> foresaw > a Jewish return from exile, despite unbelief. Traditional Catholic > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_Catholic> thought however > did not consider Zionism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism> in any > form;[5] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-Regina_Sharif_1983.2C_page_10-5> > Christian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian> advocacy of the > restoration of the Jews arose following the Protestant Reformation > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation>. A contemporary > Israeli historian suggests that evangelical Christian Zionists of the 1840s > 'passed this notion on to Jewish circles'.[6] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-shapira-6> > > Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel > is a prerequisite for the Second Coming > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming> of Jesus. This belief is > primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian > Dispensationalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism>. The > idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of > Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged > to become Christian, as a means of fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been > common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[7] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-com-mag-7>[8] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-8>[9] > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-9> Many > Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the chosen > people <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people> of God, along with > the "ingrafted" Gentile Christians. (See [Romans 11:17-24] > <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11%3A17-24&version=ESV> > and dual-covenant theology > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-covenant_theology>.) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism > > > On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:07:11 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> As we have discussed the last month, this definition that you posted was >> re-defined back in August. I posted the original definition that was from >> Wiki in mid-August, and the definition was changed like a week later. >> This, after your pal, Charles Hagee started this nonsense. >> >> There really isn't such a thing as "Christian Zionism"; total bull >> hockey, and you know it Plain Ol'. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:21 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> you clearly don't have a grasp on what Judaism or Christianity is.you >>> apparently don't understand "Zionism" because Zionist are only Jews! >>> --- >>> your ignorance has been noted again >>> *Christian Zionism* is a belief among some Christians >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity> that the return of the Jews >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jew> to the Holy Land >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Land>, and the establishment of the State >>> of Israel <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel> in 1948, is in >>> accordance with Biblical <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible> prophecy >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy>. The term Christian Zionism >>> began to be used in the mid-20th century, superseding *Christian >>> Restorationism*.[1] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-1>[2] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-2> >>> Some Christian Zionists believe that the "ingathering" of Jews in Israel >>> is a prerequisite for the Second Coming >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Coming> of Jesus. This belief is >>> primarily, though not exclusively, associated with Christian >>> Dispensationalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispensationalism>. The >>> idea that Christians should actively support a Jewish return to the Land of >>> Israel, along with the parallel idea that the Jews ought to be encouraged >>> to become Christian, as a means of fulfilling a Biblical prophecy has been >>> common in Protestant circles since the Reformation.[7] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-com-mag-7>[8] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-8>[9] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-9> Many >>> Christian Zionists believe that the people of Israel remain part of the >>> chosen >>> people <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people> of God, along with >>> the "ingrafted" Gentile Christians. (See[Romans 11:17-24] >>> <http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+11%3A17-24&version=ESV> >>> and dual-covenant theology >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-covenant_theology>.) >>> >>> In 1818, President John Adams <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Adams> >>> wrote, >>> "I really wish the Jews again in Judea an independent nation", and believed >>> that they would gradually become Unitarian Christians.[29] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-29> >>> In 1844, George Bush >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bush_(Biblical_scholar)>, a >>> professor of Hebrew at New York University >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_University> and the cousin of an >>> ancestor of the Presidents Bush, published a book titled *The Valley of >>> Vision; or, The Dry Bones of Israel Revived*. In it he denounced "the >>> thralldom and oppression which has so long ground them (the Jews) to the >>> dust," and called for "elevating" the Jews "to a rank of honorable repute >>> among the nations of the earth" by allowing restoring the Jews to the land >>> of Israel where the bulk would be converted to Christianity >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_the_Jews>.[30] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-30> This, >>> according to Bush, would benefit not only the Jews, but all of mankind, >>> forming a "link of communication" between humanity and God. "It will blaze >>> in notoriety ...". "It will flash a splendid demonstration upon all >>> kindreds and tongues of the truth."[7] >>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism#cite_note-com-mag-7> >>> >>> On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:12:57 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> But you clearly don't have a grasp on what Judaism or Christianity is. >>>> You cannot even say Christianity, referencing a city in China to refer to >>>> such, and also just as obviously, you apparently don't understand "Zionism" >>>> because Zionist are only Jews! >>>> >>>> You should get a nice refreshing cup of "Wake The Hell Up" Plain Ol'! >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:41 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> What is it that I am misunderstanding? Your hatred for Jews? >>>>> --- >>>>> not jews ... zionists. >>>>> >>>>> your approval of illegal immigration and those who profit from it? >>>>> --- >>>>> unlike the jews and xians, I don't give aid and support to illegals >>>>> and would deport them asap by any means necessary. >>>>> your approval of giving weapons to zionists says tons about your >>>>> patriotism. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 4:54:18 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Okay, I re-read your initial post: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Mexican Gangs Could Be Making Up To $250 Million A Year By Abusing >>>>>> And Extorting Migrants---chump change compared to what warmongering >>>>>> neocons >>>>>> and zionists are making from weapons sales.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You compared Mexican gangs making up to $250 mil. annually by abusing >>>>>> and extorting illegal aliens in this Nation, and somehow justifying this >>>>>> act and comparing it to what you term "chump change to warmongering >>>>>> neocons" and Jews selling weapons. >>>>>> >>>>>> What is it that I am misunderstanding? Your hatred for Jews? Or >>>>>> your approval of illegal immigration and those who profit from it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 3:51 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your advocating for Mexican gangs to continue shipping illegal >>>>>>> immigrants to the United States, >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> your reading comprehension deficiency has been noted again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or your hatred of American companies who manufacture weaponry? >>>>>>> --- >>>>>>> only those who sell to warmongers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:11:58 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And this comment has to do with what? Your advocating for Mexican >>>>>>>> gangs to continue shipping illegal immigrants to the United States, or >>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>> hatred of American companies who manufacture weaponry? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:40 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mexican Gangs Could Be Making Up To $250 Million A Year By Abusing >>>>>>>>> And Extorting Migrants >>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>> chump change compared to what warmongering neocons and zionists >>>>>>>>> are making from weapons sales. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:56:35 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Harold posted: "Gabriel Stargardter and Simon Gardner, >>>>>>>>>> Reuters10/12/2014Source ..... 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