Wrong!!! There were plenty of people who were not neocons wanting to go in there!!! You know it was a big mistake, you just don't want to admit it for some reason!!!
I won't sink top the level of personal insults as your last paragraph does though!!!! On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I find the comment, "We should have never been there in the first place" > ironic, if not just a bit.....Ignorant. > > We went to Iraq, because there was a belief, by most all American > politicians on both sides of the aisle, as well as our federal intelligence > agencies; and those intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, > Germany, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and a host of North African > Nations, that Iraq was attempting to produce weapons of mass destruction. > This was after Iraq, under Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Baath Party, had > murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians with biological weapons. > > After we successfully politically stabilized Iraq, the current > presidential Administration withdrew all American Security forces out of > Iraq, leaving a void in this young, struggling democracy.... > > And your response, is that "We should have never been there in the first > place"? > > Again, your response is either based on ignorance, and/or is idiotic. > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> We NEVER should have went in there in the first place!!! >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Cartoon by NetRightDaily.com >>> <http://netrightdaily.com/2014/08/cartoon-stable-iraq/> >>> Who Lost Iraq? >>> >>> By Thomas Sowell <http://freedomsback.com/author/thomas-sowell/> >>> >>> June 9, 2015, 7:05 am >>> >>> >>> >>> After the pro-Western government of China was forced to flee to the >>> island of Taiwan in 1949, when the Communists took over mainland China, >>> bitter recriminations in Washington led to the question: “Who lost China?” >>> China was, of course, never ours to lose, though it might be legitimate to >>> ask if a different American policy toward China could have led to a >>> different outcome. >>> >>> In more recent years, however, Iraq was in fact ours to lose, after U.S. >>> troops vanquished Saddam Hussein’s army and took over the country. Today, >>> we seem to be in the process of losing Iraq, if not to ISIS, then to Iran, >>> whose troops are in Iraq fighting ISIS. >>> >>> While mistakes were made by both the Bush administration and the Obama >>> administration, those mistakes were of different kinds and of different >>> magnitudes in their consequences, though both sets of mistakes are worth >>> thinking about, so that so much tragic waste of blood and treasure does not >>> happen again. >>> >>> Whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq in the first place is something >>> that will no doubt be debated by historians and others for years to come. >>> But, despite things that could have been done differently in Iraq during >>> the Bush administration, in the end President Bush listened to his generals >>> and launched the military “surge” that crushed the terrorist insurgents and >>> made Iraq a viable country. >>> >>> The most solid confirmations of the military success in Iraq were the >>> intercepted messages from Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq to their leaders in >>> Pakistan that there was no point sending more insurgents, because they now >>> had no chance of prevailing against American forces. This was the situation >>> that Barack Obama inherited — and lost. >>> >>> Going back to square one, what lessons might we learn from the whole >>> experience of the Iraq war? If nothing else, we should never again imagine >>> that we can engage in “nation-building” in the sweeping sense that term >>> acquired in Iraq — least of all building a democratic Arab nation in a >>> region of the world that has never had such a thing in a history that goes >>> back thousands of years. >>> >>> Human beings are not inert building blocks, and democracy has >>> prerequisites that Western nations took centuries to develop. Perhaps the >>> reshaping of German society and Japanese society under American occupation >>> after World War II made such a project seem doable in Iraq. >>> >>> Had the Bush administration pulled it off, such an achievement in the >>> Middle East could have been a magnificent gift to the entire world, >>> bringing peace to a region that has been the spearhead of war and >>> international terrorism. >>> >>> Germany and Japan had been transformed from belligerent military powers >>> threatening world peace for more than half a century to two of the most >>> pacifist nations on earth, in both cases after years of American occupation >>> reshaped these societies. Why not Iraq? >>> >>> First of all, Germany and Japan were already nations before the American >>> occupation. There was no “nation-building” to do. But Iraq was a collection >>> of bitter rivals — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, for example — who had never >>> resolved their differences to form a nation, but were instead held together >>> only by an iron dictatorship, as Yugoslavia once was. >>> >>> Replacing German and Japanese dictatorships with democracy after World >>> War II was a challenge. But both countries remained under American military >>> governments for years, slowly gaining such self-governing powers as the >>> military overseers chose, and at such a pace as these overseers deemed >>> prudent in the light of conditions on the ground. >>> >>> American authorities did not rush to set up an independent government, >>> able to operate at cross purposes because it was “democratically elected” >>> in a country without the prerequisites of a viable democracy. >>> >>> Despite the mistakes that were made in Iraq, it was still a viable >>> country until Barack Obama made the headstrong decision to pull out all the >>> troops, ignoring his own military advisers, just so he could claim to have >>> restored “peace,” when in fact he invited chaos and defeat. >>> >>> This is only the latest of Obama’s gross misjudgments about Iraq, going >>> back to his Senate days, when he vehemently opposed the military “surge” >>> that crushed the terrorist insurgency, as did Senator Hillary Clinton also, >>> by the way. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmajM0M251BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MzM5Njk3MTk-> >>> >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! 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