If I ever go to Tampa, I hope we can share some Kool-Aid and have a few laughs!!!
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Both Germany's and France's intelligence Departments confirmed, as did the > CIA, NSA, MI6 Mossad, (whatever the Russian and the Saud Intelligence > Agencies are called) that Iraq was developing weapons of mass > destruction. Period. > > > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Well a quick Google search shows both France and Germany as well as me >> and most of my friends!!! >> >> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/22/germany.france >> >> You seem to think that I am a Democrat for some reason and that I blindly >> support them, you should know better after all these years, everybody who >> is not blindly supporting the GOP does not mean they support the Democrats >> ... that sorta yours or mine attitude is what's wrong with DC!!! >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Which "Plenty of People" do you refer? Please name them, and let's >>> review. Most all of the Democrats were all on board..... >>> >>> Looking back upon it, yes, I agree that it was a mistake. Having said >>> that, I understand the logic that caused us to enter into the region, and >>> it was a far, far far bigger mistake to withdraw all of our troops two >>> years ago, thus creating ISIS and the quagmire that is now Iraq. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Wrong!!! There were plenty of people who were not neocons wanting to go >>>> in there!!! You know it was a big mistake, you just don't want to admit it >>>> for some reason!!! >>>> >>>> I won't sink top the level of personal insults as your last paragraph >>>> does though!!!! >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> I find the comment, "We should have never been there in the first >>>>> place" ironic, if not just a bit.....Ignorant. >>>>> >>>>> We went to Iraq, because there was a belief, by most all American >>>>> politicians on both sides of the aisle, as well as our federal >>>>> intelligence >>>>> agencies; and those intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, >>>>> Germany, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and a host of North African >>>>> Nations, that Iraq was attempting to produce weapons of mass destruction. >>>>> This was after Iraq, under Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Baath Party, had >>>>> murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians with biological weapons. >>>>> >>>>> After we successfully politically stabilized Iraq, the current >>>>> presidential Administration withdrew all American Security forces out of >>>>> Iraq, leaving a void in this young, struggling democracy.... >>>>> >>>>> And your response, is that "We should have never been there in the >>>>> first place"? >>>>> >>>>> Again, your response is either based on ignorance, and/or is idiotic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We NEVER should have went in there in the first place!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cartoon by NetRightDaily.com >>>>>>> <http://netrightdaily.com/2014/08/cartoon-stable-iraq/> >>>>>>> Who Lost Iraq? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> By Thomas Sowell <http://freedomsback.com/author/thomas-sowell/> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> June 9, 2015, 7:05 am >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After the pro-Western government of China was forced to flee to the >>>>>>> island of Taiwan in 1949, when the Communists took over mainland China, >>>>>>> bitter recriminations in Washington led to the question: “Who lost >>>>>>> China?” >>>>>>> China was, of course, never ours to lose, though it might be legitimate >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> ask if a different American policy toward China could have led to a >>>>>>> different outcome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In more recent years, however, Iraq was in fact ours to lose, after >>>>>>> U.S. troops vanquished Saddam Hussein’s army and took over the country. >>>>>>> Today, we seem to be in the process of losing Iraq, if not to ISIS, >>>>>>> then to >>>>>>> Iran, whose troops are in Iraq fighting ISIS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While mistakes were made by both the Bush administration and the >>>>>>> Obama administration, those mistakes were of different kinds and of >>>>>>> different magnitudes in their consequences, though both sets of mistakes >>>>>>> are worth thinking about, so that so much tragic waste of blood and >>>>>>> treasure does not happen again. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq in the first place is >>>>>>> something that will no doubt be debated by historians and others for >>>>>>> years >>>>>>> to come. But, despite things that could have been done differently in >>>>>>> Iraq >>>>>>> during the Bush administration, in the end President Bush listened to >>>>>>> his >>>>>>> generals and launched the military “surge” that crushed the terrorist >>>>>>> insurgents and made Iraq a viable country. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The most solid confirmations of the military success in Iraq were >>>>>>> the intercepted messages from Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq to their >>>>>>> leaders >>>>>>> in Pakistan that there was no point sending more insurgents, because >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> now had no chance of prevailing against American forces. This was the >>>>>>> situation that Barack Obama inherited — and lost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Going back to square one, what lessons might we learn from the whole >>>>>>> experience of the Iraq war? If nothing else, we should never again >>>>>>> imagine >>>>>>> that we can engage in “nation-building” in the sweeping sense that term >>>>>>> acquired in Iraq — least of all building a democratic Arab nation in a >>>>>>> region of the world that has never had such a thing in a history that >>>>>>> goes >>>>>>> back thousands of years. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Human beings are not inert building blocks, and democracy has >>>>>>> prerequisites that Western nations took centuries to develop. Perhaps >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> reshaping of German society and Japanese society under American >>>>>>> occupation >>>>>>> after World War II made such a project seem doable in Iraq. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Had the Bush administration pulled it off, such an achievement in >>>>>>> the Middle East could have been a magnificent gift to the entire world, >>>>>>> bringing peace to a region that has been the spearhead of war and >>>>>>> international terrorism. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Germany and Japan had been transformed from belligerent military >>>>>>> powers threatening world peace for more than half a century to two of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> most pacifist nations on earth, in both cases after years of American >>>>>>> occupation reshaped these societies. Why not Iraq? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First of all, Germany and Japan were already nations before the >>>>>>> American occupation. There was no “nation-building” to do. But Iraq was >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> collection of bitter rivals — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, for example — >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> had never resolved their differences to form a nation, but were instead >>>>>>> held together only by an iron dictatorship, as Yugoslavia once was. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Replacing German and Japanese dictatorships with democracy after >>>>>>> World War II was a challenge. But both countries remained under American >>>>>>> military governments for years, slowly gaining such self-governing >>>>>>> powers >>>>>>> as the military overseers chose, and at such a pace as these overseers >>>>>>> deemed prudent in the light of conditions on the ground. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> American authorities did not rush to set up an independent >>>>>>> government, able to operate at cross purposes because it was >>>>>>> “democratically elected” in a country without the prerequisites of a >>>>>>> viable >>>>>>> democracy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Despite the mistakes that were made in Iraq, it was still a viable >>>>>>> country until Barack Obama made the headstrong decision to pull out all >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> troops, ignoring his own military advisers, just so he could claim to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> restored “peace,” when in fact he invited chaos and defeat. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is only the latest of Obama’s gross misjudgments about Iraq, >>>>>>> going back to his Senate days, when he vehemently opposed the military >>>>>>> “surge” that crushed the terrorist insurgency, as did Senator Hillary >>>>>>> Clinton also, by the way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Visit Your Group >>>>>>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmajM0M251BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MzM5Njk3MTk-> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Yahoo! 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