<Grin>! Me too! I would love for ya to come on down!
On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:00 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > If I ever go to Tampa, I hope we can share some Kool-Aid and have a few > laughs!!! > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Both Germany's and France's intelligence Departments confirmed, as did >> the CIA, NSA, MI6 Mossad, (whatever the Russian and the Saud Intelligence >> Agencies are called) that Iraq was developing weapons of mass >> destruction. Period. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:25 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Well a quick Google search shows both France and Germany as well as me >>> and most of my friends!!! >>> >>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/22/germany.france >>> >>> You seem to think that I am a Democrat for some reason and that I >>> blindly support them, you should know better after all these years, >>> everybody who is not blindly supporting the GOP does not mean they support >>> the Democrats ... that sorta yours or mine attitude is what's wrong with >>> DC!!! >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Which "Plenty of People" do you refer? Please name them, and let's >>>> review. Most all of the Democrats were all on board..... >>>> >>>> Looking back upon it, yes, I agree that it was a mistake. Having said >>>> that, I understand the logic that caused us to enter into the region, and >>>> it was a far, far far bigger mistake to withdraw all of our troops two >>>> years ago, thus creating ISIS and the quagmire that is now Iraq. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wrong!!! There were plenty of people who were not neocons wanting to >>>>> go in there!!! You know it was a big mistake, you just don't want to admit >>>>> it for some reason!!! >>>>> >>>>> I won't sink top the level of personal insults as your last paragraph >>>>> does though!!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I find the comment, "We should have never been there in the first >>>>>> place" ironic, if not just a bit.....Ignorant. >>>>>> >>>>>> We went to Iraq, because there was a belief, by most all American >>>>>> politicians on both sides of the aisle, as well as our federal >>>>>> intelligence >>>>>> agencies; and those intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, >>>>>> Germany, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and a host of North African >>>>>> Nations, that Iraq was attempting to produce weapons of mass destruction. >>>>>> This was after Iraq, under Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Baath Party, had >>>>>> murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians with biological >>>>>> weapons. >>>>>> >>>>>> After we successfully politically stabilized Iraq, the current >>>>>> presidential Administration withdrew all American Security forces out of >>>>>> Iraq, leaving a void in this young, struggling democracy.... >>>>>> >>>>>> And your response, is that "We should have never been there in the >>>>>> first place"? >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, your response is either based on ignorance, and/or is idiotic. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We NEVER should have went in there in the first place!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cartoon by NetRightDaily.com >>>>>>>> <http://netrightdaily.com/2014/08/cartoon-stable-iraq/> >>>>>>>> Who Lost Iraq? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By Thomas Sowell <http://freedomsback.com/author/thomas-sowell/> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> June 9, 2015, 7:05 am >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After the pro-Western government of China was forced to flee to the >>>>>>>> island of Taiwan in 1949, when the Communists took over mainland China, >>>>>>>> bitter recriminations in Washington led to the question: “Who lost >>>>>>>> China?” >>>>>>>> China was, of course, never ours to lose, though it might be >>>>>>>> legitimate to >>>>>>>> ask if a different American policy toward China could have led to a >>>>>>>> different outcome. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In more recent years, however, Iraq was in fact ours to lose, after >>>>>>>> U.S. troops vanquished Saddam Hussein’s army and took over the country. >>>>>>>> Today, we seem to be in the process of losing Iraq, if not to ISIS, >>>>>>>> then to >>>>>>>> Iran, whose troops are in Iraq fighting ISIS. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> While mistakes were made by both the Bush administration and the >>>>>>>> Obama administration, those mistakes were of different kinds and of >>>>>>>> different magnitudes in their consequences, though both sets of >>>>>>>> mistakes >>>>>>>> are worth thinking about, so that so much tragic waste of blood and >>>>>>>> treasure does not happen again. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq in the first place is >>>>>>>> something that will no doubt be debated by historians and others for >>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>> to come. But, despite things that could have been done differently in >>>>>>>> Iraq >>>>>>>> during the Bush administration, in the end President Bush listened to >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> generals and launched the military “surge” that crushed the terrorist >>>>>>>> insurgents and made Iraq a viable country. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The most solid confirmations of the military success in Iraq were >>>>>>>> the intercepted messages from Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq to their >>>>>>>> leaders >>>>>>>> in Pakistan that there was no point sending more insurgents, because >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> now had no chance of prevailing against American forces. This was the >>>>>>>> situation that Barack Obama inherited — and lost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Going back to square one, what lessons might we learn from the >>>>>>>> whole experience of the Iraq war? If nothing else, we should never >>>>>>>> again >>>>>>>> imagine that we can engage in “nation-building” in the sweeping sense >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> term acquired in Iraq — least of all building a democratic Arab nation >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> region of the world that has never had such a thing in a history that >>>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>> back thousands of years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Human beings are not inert building blocks, and democracy has >>>>>>>> prerequisites that Western nations took centuries to develop. Perhaps >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> reshaping of German society and Japanese society under American >>>>>>>> occupation >>>>>>>> after World War II made such a project seem doable in Iraq. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Had the Bush administration pulled it off, such an achievement in >>>>>>>> the Middle East could have been a magnificent gift to the entire world, >>>>>>>> bringing peace to a region that has been the spearhead of war and >>>>>>>> international terrorism. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Germany and Japan had been transformed from belligerent military >>>>>>>> powers threatening world peace for more than half a century to two of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> most pacifist nations on earth, in both cases after years of American >>>>>>>> occupation reshaped these societies. Why not Iraq? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First of all, Germany and Japan were already nations before the >>>>>>>> American occupation. There was no “nation-building” to do. But Iraq >>>>>>>> was a >>>>>>>> collection of bitter rivals — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, for example — >>>>>>>> who >>>>>>>> had never resolved their differences to form a nation, but were instead >>>>>>>> held together only by an iron dictatorship, as Yugoslavia once was. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Replacing German and Japanese dictatorships with democracy after >>>>>>>> World War II was a challenge. But both countries remained under >>>>>>>> American >>>>>>>> military governments for years, slowly gaining such self-governing >>>>>>>> powers >>>>>>>> as the military overseers chose, and at such a pace as these overseers >>>>>>>> deemed prudent in the light of conditions on the ground. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> American authorities did not rush to set up an independent >>>>>>>> government, able to operate at cross purposes because it was >>>>>>>> “democratically elected” in a country without the prerequisites of a >>>>>>>> viable >>>>>>>> democracy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Despite the mistakes that were made in Iraq, it was still a viable >>>>>>>> country until Barack Obama made the headstrong decision to pull out >>>>>>>> all the >>>>>>>> troops, ignoring his own military advisers, just so he could claim to >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>> restored “peace,” when in fact he invited chaos and defeat. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is only the latest of Obama’s gross misjudgments about Iraq, >>>>>>>> going back to his Senate days, when he vehemently opposed the military >>>>>>>> “surge” that crushed the terrorist insurgency, as did Senator Hillary >>>>>>>> Clinton also, by the way. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Visit Your Group >>>>>>>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmajM0M251BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MzM5Njk3MTk-> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [image: Yahoo! 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