Which "Plenty of People" do you refer? Please name them, and let's review. Most all of the Democrats were all on board.....
Looking back upon it, yes, I agree that it was a mistake. Having said that, I understand the logic that caused us to enter into the region, and it was a far, far far bigger mistake to withdraw all of our troops two years ago, thus creating ISIS and the quagmire that is now Iraq. On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:53 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > Wrong!!! There were plenty of people who were not neocons wanting to go in > there!!! You know it was a big mistake, you just don't want to admit it for > some reason!!! > > I won't sink top the level of personal insults as your last paragraph does > though!!!! > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I find the comment, "We should have never been there in the first place" >> ironic, if not just a bit.....Ignorant. >> >> We went to Iraq, because there was a belief, by most all American >> politicians on both sides of the aisle, as well as our federal intelligence >> agencies; and those intelligence agencies of Great Britain, France, >> Germany, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and a host of North African >> Nations, that Iraq was attempting to produce weapons of mass destruction. >> This was after Iraq, under Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Baath Party, had >> murdered tens of thousands of Iraqis and Iranians with biological weapons. >> >> After we successfully politically stabilized Iraq, the current >> presidential Administration withdrew all American Security forces out of >> Iraq, leaving a void in this young, struggling democracy.... >> >> And your response, is that "We should have never been there in the first >> place"? >> >> Again, your response is either based on ignorance, and/or is idiotic. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> We NEVER should have went in there in the first place!!! >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 9:56 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Cartoon by NetRightDaily.com >>>> <http://netrightdaily.com/2014/08/cartoon-stable-iraq/> >>>> Who Lost Iraq? >>>> >>>> By Thomas Sowell <http://freedomsback.com/author/thomas-sowell/> >>>> >>>> June 9, 2015, 7:05 am >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> After the pro-Western government of China was forced to flee to the >>>> island of Taiwan in 1949, when the Communists took over mainland China, >>>> bitter recriminations in Washington led to the question: “Who lost China?” >>>> China was, of course, never ours to lose, though it might be legitimate to >>>> ask if a different American policy toward China could have led to a >>>> different outcome. >>>> >>>> In more recent years, however, Iraq was in fact ours to lose, after >>>> U.S. troops vanquished Saddam Hussein’s army and took over the country. >>>> Today, we seem to be in the process of losing Iraq, if not to ISIS, then to >>>> Iran, whose troops are in Iraq fighting ISIS. >>>> >>>> While mistakes were made by both the Bush administration and the Obama >>>> administration, those mistakes were of different kinds and of different >>>> magnitudes in their consequences, though both sets of mistakes are worth >>>> thinking about, so that so much tragic waste of blood and treasure does not >>>> happen again. >>>> >>>> Whether it was a mistake to invade Iraq in the first place is something >>>> that will no doubt be debated by historians and others for years to come. >>>> But, despite things that could have been done differently in Iraq during >>>> the Bush administration, in the end President Bush listened to his generals >>>> and launched the military “surge” that crushed the terrorist insurgents and >>>> made Iraq a viable country. >>>> >>>> The most solid confirmations of the military success in Iraq were the >>>> intercepted messages from Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq to their leaders in >>>> Pakistan that there was no point sending more insurgents, because they now >>>> had no chance of prevailing against American forces. This was the situation >>>> that Barack Obama inherited — and lost. >>>> >>>> Going back to square one, what lessons might we learn from the whole >>>> experience of the Iraq war? If nothing else, we should never again imagine >>>> that we can engage in “nation-building” in the sweeping sense that term >>>> acquired in Iraq — least of all building a democratic Arab nation in a >>>> region of the world that has never had such a thing in a history that goes >>>> back thousands of years. >>>> >>>> Human beings are not inert building blocks, and democracy has >>>> prerequisites that Western nations took centuries to develop. Perhaps the >>>> reshaping of German society and Japanese society under American occupation >>>> after World War II made such a project seem doable in Iraq. >>>> >>>> Had the Bush administration pulled it off, such an achievement in the >>>> Middle East could have been a magnificent gift to the entire world, >>>> bringing peace to a region that has been the spearhead of war and >>>> international terrorism. >>>> >>>> Germany and Japan had been transformed from belligerent military powers >>>> threatening world peace for more than half a century to two of the most >>>> pacifist nations on earth, in both cases after years of American occupation >>>> reshaped these societies. Why not Iraq? >>>> >>>> First of all, Germany and Japan were already nations before the >>>> American occupation. There was no “nation-building” to do. But Iraq was a >>>> collection of bitter rivals — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds, for example — who >>>> had never resolved their differences to form a nation, but were instead >>>> held together only by an iron dictatorship, as Yugoslavia once was. >>>> >>>> Replacing German and Japanese dictatorships with democracy after World >>>> War II was a challenge. 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