I personally have no problem with a private business deciding who they want to do business with ... public sector is a different thing!!!
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:15 PM, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > Why should a baker be enslaved to work for you if she does not want to? > > Why should you force unwilling service people to service you thereby > denying gay bakers and wedding planners business? > > Are you a rapist? > > > On Wednesday, December 2, 2015, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I try to lead a life by Christian principles and tenets. >> --- >> oh ... like promoting laws that make it illegal to feed the hungry but >> legal for a baker to refuse service based on their religious beliefs, not >> judging lgbt's, imposing xian beliefs on our government, accepting the >> stranger and those with different or no religious beliefs, supporting blue >> laws, the failed war on drugs and the US interventionist policy ... >> >> 10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by >> other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of >> yours. >> >> 9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people >> evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical >> claim that we were created from dirt. >> >> 8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a >> Triune God. >> >> 7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed >> to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah >> slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the >> elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, >> children, and trees! >> >> 6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about >> gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy >> Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, >> came back to life and then ascended into the sky. >> >> 5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in >> the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you >> find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen >> sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old. >> >> 4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the >> exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all >> rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet >> consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving." >> >> 3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have >> failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor >> speaking >> in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity. >> >> 2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered >> prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works >> . And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of >> God. >> >> 1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do >> about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself >> a Christian. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015 at 4:18:51 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Hey Brine, (And Regan!) >>> >>> Regan took the words right out of my mouth. I am not Catholic, and was >>> never taught any such act, or lack of an act was a sin. Moreover, a House >>> of Worship is to make one feel good, and joyous about life! Under your >>> diction of worship, it sounds more of a chore. >>> >>> No thanks...... >>> >>> I don't "Pick & Choose" Brine. I try to lead a life by Christian >>> principles and tenets. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Grotesque ignorance thy name is Bruce. >>> >>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* >>> >>> >>> Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I thougt papists were child buggering idolatrous satanists! >>> >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> You are confusing being a Christian with being Roman Catholic, a >>> denomination of Christianity. Most Christians are not Catholic. Going to >>> church on Sundays and other Holy Days of Obligation is not a requirement >>> for Catholics, participating in the Mass and restful observance of the >>> Grace of God on those days is. >>> >>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* >>> >>> >>> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> So your version of being a Christian is like a Chinese Menu ... pick >>> what you like and ignore what you don't!!! >>> Part of the Roman Catholic upbringing basically said it was a sin not to >>> go to church every Sunday and Holy day of Obligation!!! >>> I stopped attending when it felt more like an attendance contest than >>> getting anything from the experience!!! >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think one has to "Regularly Attend" in order to identify as a >>> Christian, or holding Christian principles and tenets dear. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That may be true or not, but I can say that I know more people who do >>> not go to church or temple than do go. Especially people younger than me >>> ... only time will tell!!! >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and >>> religion will continue to grow. >>> >>> I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen >>> reputable polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 80 >>> percent. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been >>> away from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below >>> 50%. >>> >>> I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was >>> raised Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The >>> bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify with >>> being Christian, and that is fact.....) >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston. >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation >>> --- >>> delusion noted. >>> >>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen nearly >>> eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a new survey. Pew >>> Research Center found that *71%* of Americans identified as Christian >>> in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007. >>> >>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta like the >>> small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers. >>> >>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/ >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who are >>> advocating for the refugee program to continue. Thankfully, the majority >>> of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are opposed. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement of Syrian >>> Refugees in the United States >>> --- >>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees >>> >>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core >>> group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate >>> advocates for aiding refugees. >>> >>> >>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi> >>> >>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST >>> >>> >>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST >>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas Gov. Mike >>> Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during the California GOP >>> fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in Anaheim, Calif. (AP >>> Photo/Chris Carlson)] >>> >>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain >>> evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance against >>> Syrian refugees. | AP Photo >>> >>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the >>> United States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set >>> off by the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact >>> elected officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war. >>> >>> >>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core >>> group in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate >>> advocates for aiding refugees. >>> >>> >>> >>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees >>> "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which >>> are evangelical churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice >>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical organization that >>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying we want to >>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris ... doesn’t >>> reflect who refugees are." >>> >>> >>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last week's >>> attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, have set off a GOP-led >>> backlash over the Obama administration's plans to admit 10,000 Syrian >>> refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors have said they do not >>> want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while House Speaker Paul >>> Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted legislation to halt the >>> administration's plans. >>> >>> >>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations, several of >>> them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 refugees from around the >>> world in the United States each year. Others include the U.S. Conference of >>> Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and the Church >>> World Service. Many other faith-based groups, including evangelical >>> Christian organizations, also perform aid work overseas specifically aimed >>> at refugees fleeing conflicts. >>> >>> >>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg >>> >>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill >>> >>> By JAKE SHERMAN >>> >>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas Gov. Mike >>> Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working hard at shoring up >>> evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words against refugees >>> carries a risk of looking politically opportunistic instead of >>> compassionate. Some advocates were particularly shocked when Republican >>> presidential candidate Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said that the >>> U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if necessary. >>> >>> >>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one advocate with a >>> Christian group that resettles refugees. He added: "it’s disappointing >>> because there have been Republican senators and presidents who have >>> strongly supported this program over the years. There’s a proud tradition >>> in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are fleeing persecution, and >>> this takes the party in a negative direction. It’s easy to pick on >>> vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are immigrant groups who >>> have voting power that understand what is going on. They understand that >>> it’s an anti-immigrant message." >>> >>> >>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations about >>> immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy about people who >>> illegally enter the United States, there's long been a recognition that >>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million Syrians who have >>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are dodging >>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel bombs of Syrian >>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need of medical >>> care. >>> >>> >>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians who are >>> Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something President Barack Obama has >>> blasted as shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians would also >>> oppose such a religious test, especially because many are eager to share >>> their faith with new arrivals. >>> >>> >>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians since the >>> conflict in the country began in March 2011. To be allowed in, refugees >>> have to undergo the most stringent security checks of any traveler heading >>> to the United States, according to the State Department. Officials from the >>> Obama administration on Tuesday began reaching out to the media and >>> lawmakers in a bid to explain the screening process, which takes an average >>> of 18-24 months. >>> >>> >>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their advocacy >>> efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops released a >>> statement expressing distress over calls by elected officials to halt the >>> resettlement program. >>> >>> >>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg >>> >>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees >>> >>> By NAHAL TOOSI >>> >>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like we have >>> witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop Eusebio Elizondo, >>> chairman of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of using this >>> tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public officials to work >>> together to end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 million >>> Syrian refugees can return to their country and rebuild their homes. Until >>> that goal is achieved, we must work with the world community to provide >>> safe haven to vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply attempting >>> to survive." >>> >>> >>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to urge people >>> to contact their governors to express their support for resettling Syrians. >>> The Anti-Defamation League also has spoken out in favor of helping the >>> Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to accept Jewish refugees during >>> World War II is an example that must not be repeated. >>> >>> >>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL and a former >>> Obama aide, stressed that much remains unknown about the Paris attacks, >>> including the exact nature of the allegation that a Syrian migrant was one >>> of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist posed as a migrant to >>> reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., with oceans to protect it and >>> a stricter screening process, faces the same level of dangers, other >>> advocates said. >>> >>> >>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully here," >>> Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive to these issues. >>> They’re very sensitive to helping those in need." >>> >>> >>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran Immigration >>> and Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound and fury over refugees >>> would soon be replaced with reason as Republican lawmakers and officials >>> get more details about how the refugee program works. >>> >>> >>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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