Although the splintering of the Faithful was unfortunate, the Faith remains intact. I am pretty sure that Jesus would not agree with your conclusions Brine.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >All you mentioned broke away from the one true church, so they could push >THEIR person version of Christianity!!! > >Were Washington, Adams, Jefferson and Franklin thought of as traitors to King >George??? > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:44 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >Yea.....Martin Luther, John Wycliffe and John Calvin, would probably take >exception to your thought process there Brine! > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >Since the Roman Catholic Church is the one with direct lineage back to Peter, >all others are bastard versions, so be a happy bastard!!! > > >I find all organized religion to be a scam!!! > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >Hey Brine, (And Regan!) > > >Regan took the words right out of my mouth. I am not Catholic, and was never >taught any such act, or lack of an act was a sin. Moreover, a House of >Worship is to make one feel good, and joyous about life! Under your diction >of worship, it sounds more of a chore. > > >No thanks...... > > >I don't "Pick & Choose" Brine. I try to lead a life by Christian principles >and tenets. > > > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: > >Grotesque ignorance thy name is Bruce. > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > >Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > >I thougt papists were child buggering idolatrous satanists! > > > >On Wednesday, December 2, 2015, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote: > >You are confusing being a Christian with being Roman Catholic, a denomination >of Christianity. Most Christians are not Catholic. Going to church on >Sundays and other Holy Days of Obligation is not a requirement for Catholics, >participating in the Mass and restful observance of the Grace of God on those >days is. > > >Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > > > >Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >So your version of being a Christian is like a Chinese Menu ... pick what you >like and ignore what you don't!!! >Part of the Roman Catholic upbringing basically said it was a sin not to go to >church every Sunday and Holy day of Obligation!!! > >I stopped attending when it felt more like an attendance contest than getting >anything from the experience!!! > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >I don't think one has to "Regularly Attend" in order to identify as a >Christian, or holding Christian principles and tenets dear. > > > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >That may be true or not, but I can say that I know more people who do not go >to church or temple than do go. Especially people younger than me ... only >time will tell!!! > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and religion >will continue to grow. > > >I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen reputable >polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 80 percent. > > > > >On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has been away >from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before it's below 50%. > >I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was raised >Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!! > > >On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > >(The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than Pew....The bottom >line, is that more than three quarters of this Nation identify with being >Christian, and that is fact.....) > > >On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >wrote: > >I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston. > >On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > >http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php > > >On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > >Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation > >--- > >delusion noted. > > >The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen nearly eight >percentage points in only seven years, according to a new survey. Pew Research >Center found that 71% of Americans identified as Christian in 2014 - down from >78% in 2007. > > >and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta like the small >percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers. > > >https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/ > > > >On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > >No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who are advocating >for the refugee program to continue. Thankfully, the majority of Christians, >which is 80 percent of the Nation, are opposed. > > > > >On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > >I do know that most Christians are opposed to the resettlement of Syrian >Refugees in the United States > >--- > >Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees > > >Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group >in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates >for aiding refugees. > > >By NAHAL TOOSI > >11/17/15 06:24 PM EST > > > >Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST > > > >Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to gain evangelical >support, but may be threatening that by taking a stance against Syrian >refugees. | AP Photo > >Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling refugees to the United >States, say they are dismayed by the wave of anti-refugee fervor set off by >the Paris terrorist attacks and are urging supporters to contact elected >officials on behalf of victims of the Syrian civil war. > > >Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly, are a core group >in the Republican electoral base and are among the most passionate advocates >for aiding refugees. > > > >A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian refugees "does not >reflect what we've been hearing from our constituencies, which are evangelical >churches across the country," said Jenny Yang, vice president for advocacy at >World Relief, an evangelical organization that helps resettle refugees. "Most >of the people have been saying we want to continue to work with refugees, that >what happened in Paris ... doesn’t reflect who refugees are." > > >Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in last week's attacks in >Paris, which killed around 130 people, have set off a GOP-led backlash over >the Obama administration's plans to admit 10,000 Syrian refugees next year. >More than half of U.S. governors have said they do not want Syrian refugees >resettled in their states, while House Speaker Paul Ryan says he wants a vote >this week on GOP-drafted legislation to halt the administration's plans. > > >World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations, several of them >faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 refugees from around the world in >the United States each year. Others include the U.S. Conference of Catholic >Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, and the Church World >Service. Many other faith-based groups, including evangelical Christian >organizations, also perform aid work overseas specifically aimed at refugees >fleeing conflicts. > > >151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg > >House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill > >By JAKE SHERMAN > >For Republican presidential contenders such as former Arkansas Gov. Mike >Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have been working hard at shoring up >evangelical support in a crowded field, harsh words against refugees carries a >risk of looking politically opportunistic instead of compassionate. Some >advocates were particularly shocked when Republican presidential candidate >Chris Christie, New Jersey's governor, said that the U.S. should bar Syrian >orphaned toddlers if necessary. > > >"That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one advocate with a >Christian group that resettles refugees. He added: "it’s disappointing because >there have been Republican senators and presidents who have strongly supported >this program over the years. There’s a proud tradition in the Republican Party >of welcoming those who are fleeing persecution, and this takes the party in a >negative direction. It’s easy to pick on vulnerable refugees who have no >voice. But there are immigrant groups who have voting power that understand >what is going on. They understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message." > > >Even though many on the Christian right have reservations about immigration >overall, and may in particular be unhappy about people who illegally enter the >United States, there's long been a recognition that refugees fall under a >different category. The 11 million Syrians who have either fled the Arab >country or are displaced within it are dodging terrorist groups such as the >Islamic State or the barrel bombs of Syrian President Bashar Assad. Many are >elderly, widowed or in need of medical care. > > >Some Republican candidates have suggested that only Syrians who are Christian >be allowed on U.S. soil, something President Barack Obama has blasted as >shameful. Yang said many evangelical Christians would also oppose such a >religious test, especially because many are eager to share their faith with >new arrivals. > > >The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100 Syrians since the conflict >in the country began in March 2011. To be allowed in, refugees have to undergo >the most stringent security checks of any traveler heading to the United >States, according to the State Department. Officials from the Obama >administration on Tuesday began reaching out to the media and lawmakers in a >bid to explain the screening process, which takes an average of 18-24 months. > > >Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their advocacy efforts for >refugees. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops released a statement >expressing distress over calls by elected officials to halt the resettlement >program. > > >151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg > >White House pushes back against GOP on refugees > >By NAHAL TOOSI > >"These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence like we have >witnessed in Paris," said the statement by Bishop Eusebio Elizondo, chairman >of the conference's committee on migration. "Instead of using this tragedy to >scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our public officials to work together to >end the Syrian conflict peacefully so the close to 4 million Syrian refugees >can return to their country and rebuild their homes. Until that goal is >achieved, we must work with the world community to provide safe haven to >vulnerable and deserving refugees who are simply attempting to survive." > > >Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website to urge people to >contact their governors to express their support for resettling Syrians. The >Anti-Defamation League also has spoken out in favor of helping the Syrian >refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to accept Jewish refugees during World War >II is an example that must not be repeated. > > >Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the ADL and a former Obama >aide, stressed that much remains unknown about the Paris attacks, including >the exact nature of the allegation that a Syrian migrant was one of the eight >or nine attackers. Even if a terrorist posed as a migrant to reach France, >it's less likely that the U.S., with oceans to protect it and a stricter >screening process, faces the same level of dangers, other advocates said. > > >"Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully here," Greenblatt >said. "Faith-based voters are very attentive to these issues. They’re very >sensitive to helping those in need." > > >Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with Lutheran Immigration and >Refugee Service, said she hoped that the sound and fury over refugees would >soon be replaced with reason as Republican lawmakers and officials get more >details about how the refugee program works. > > >"This is a very reactionary time," she said. > > > >-- >-- >Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >* Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >* It's active and moderated. 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