Yea.....Martin Luther, John Wycliffe and John Calvin, would probably take
exception to your thought process there Brine!

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:

> Since the Roman Catholic Church is the one with direct lineage back to
> Peter, all others are bastard versions, so be a happy bastard!!!
>
> I find all organized religion to be a scam!!!
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Brine,  (And Regan!)
>>
>> Regan took the words right out of my mouth.  I am not Catholic, and was
>> never taught any such act, or lack of an act was a sin.  Moreover, a House
>> of Worship is to make one feel good, and joyous about life!  Under your
>> diction of worship, it sounds more of a chore.
>>
>> No thanks......
>>
>> I don't "Pick & Choose" Brine.   I try to lead a life by Christian
>> principles and tenets.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Grotesque ignorance thy name is Bruce.
>>>
>>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>>
>>>
>>> Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I thougt papists were child buggering idolatrous satanists!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 2, 2015, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> You are confusing being a Christian with being Roman Catholic, a
>>>> denomination of Christianity.  Most Christians are not Catholic.  Going to
>>>> church on Sundays and other Holy Days of Obligation is not a requirement
>>>> for Catholics, participating in the Mass and restful observance of the
>>>> Grace of God on those days is.
>>>>
>>>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So your version of being a Christian is like a Chinese Menu ... pick
>>>> what you like and ignore what you don't!!!
>>>> Part of the Roman Catholic upbringing basically said it was a sin not
>>>> to go to church every Sunday and Holy day of Obligation!!!
>>>> I stopped attending when it felt more like an attendance contest than
>>>> getting anything from the experience!!!
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think one has to "Regularly Attend" in order to identify as a
>>>>> Christian, or holding Christian principles and tenets dear.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> That may be true or not, but I can say that I know more people who do
>>>>>> not go to church or temple than do go. Especially people younger than me
>>>>>> ... only time will tell!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 8:11 AM, Keith In Tampa <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think you're misplaced, and that the trend toward spirituality and
>>>>>>> religion will continue to grow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've seen the 70 percent poll, (I think by Pew) but I've also seen
>>>>>>> reputable polls that put the Nation's spirituality as a whole closer to 
>>>>>>> 80
>>>>>>> percent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 7:54 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 70.6 is less than 75% (which I believe is 3/4) but the trend has
>>>>>>>> been away from organized religion as a hole, it wont be long before 
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> below 50%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I personally stopped going to Church more than 30 years ago, I was
>>>>>>>> raised Roman Catholic, I don't practice anymore ... I got it right!!!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Keith In Tampa <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (The poll is by Gallop, and they're not too different than
>>>>>>>>> Pew....The bottom line, is that more than three quarters of this 
>>>>>>>>> Nation
>>>>>>>>> identify with being Christian, and that is fact.....)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 3:39 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd trust Pew before a bunch of cowgirls in Houston.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 12:23:52 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.chron.com/life/houston-belief/article/Poll-Nearly-80-percent-of-Americans-say-they-are-2444092.php
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>> delusion noted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The number of Americans who identify as Christian has fallen
>>>>>>>>>>>> nearly eight percentage points in only seven years, according to a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey. Pew Research Center found that *71%* of Americans
>>>>>>>>>>>> identified as Christian in 2014 - down from *78%* in 2007.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and of those 71%, only a small fraction are zionists ... sorta
>>>>>>>>>>>> like the small percentage of muzzies who are radical killiers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/United.Syrian.Republic/videos/1730600583840768/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2015 at 10:13:59 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No doubt, there are some agencies who are Christian based, who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are advocating for the refugee program to continue.  Thankfully, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> majority of Christians, which is 80 percent of the Nation, are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 11:02 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do know that most Christians are opposed to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resettlement of Syrian Refugees in the United States
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian groups break with GOP over Syrian refugees
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more broadly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are a core group in the Republican electoral base and are among 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> passionate advocates for aiding refugees.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI <http://www.politico.com/staff/nahal-toosi>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 11/17/15 06:24 PM EST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Updated 11/18/15 08:43 PM EST
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Republican presidential candidate, former Arkansas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gov. Mike Huckabee speaks at executive committee luncheon during 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California GOP fall convention on Friday, Sept. 18, 2015 in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anaheim, Calif.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Huckabee along with other politicians, have worked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gain evangelical support, but may be threatening that by taking 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a stance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against Syrian refugees. | AP Photo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Faith-based groups, who play a key role in resettling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees to the United States, say they are dismayed by the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wave of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anti-refugee fervor set off by the Paris terrorist attacks 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are urging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supporters to contact elected officials on behalf of victims 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the Syrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civil war.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evangelical Christians, as well as Christians more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> broadly, are a core group in the Republican electoral base 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and are among
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the most passionate advocates for aiding refugees.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A push by Republican presidential candidates to ban Syrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees "does not reflect what we've been hearing from our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constituencies,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which are evangelical churches across the country," said 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jenny Yang, vice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> president for advocacy at World Relief, an evangelical 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> organization that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helps resettle refugees. "Most of the people have been saying 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to work with refugees, that what happened in Paris 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ... doesn’t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflect who refugees are."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reports that a Syrian migrant may have played a role in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last week's attacks in Paris, which killed around 130 people, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have set off
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a GOP-led backlash over the Obama administration's plans to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admit 10,000
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrian refugees next year. More than half of U.S. governors 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have said they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not want Syrian refugees resettled in their states, while 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House Speaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul Ryan says he wants a vote this week on GOP-drafted 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation to halt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the administration's plans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World Relief is one of nine not-for-profit organizations,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> several of them faith-based, that help resettle up to 70,000 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the world in the United States each year. Others 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> include the U.S.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Conference of Catholic Bishops, Lutheran Immigration and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Refugee Service,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the Church World Service. Many other faith-based groups, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christian organizations, also perform aid work 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> overseas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically aimed at refugees fleeing conflicts.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 151117_Paul_Ryan_AP_1160.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> House likely to vote Thursday on Syrian refugee bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By JAKE SHERMAN
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For Republican presidential contenders such as former
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who have 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hard at shoring up evangelical support in a crowded field, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harsh words
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against refugees carries a risk of looking politically 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunistic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of compassionate. Some advocates were particularly 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shocked when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican presidential candidate Chris Christie, New 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jersey's governor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that the U.S. should bar Syrian orphaned toddlers if 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "That was offensive. That was mean-spirited," said one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocate with a Christian group that resettles refugees. He 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> added: "it’s
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disappointing because there have been Republican senators and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presidents
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who have strongly supported this program over the years. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There’s a proud
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tradition in the Republican Party of welcoming those who are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fleeing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> persecution, and this takes the party in a negative 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> direction. It’s easy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pick on vulnerable refugees who have no voice. But there are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> immigrant
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> groups who have voting power that understand what is going 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on. They
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand that it’s an anti-immigrant message."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even though many on the Christian right have reservations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about immigration overall, and may in particular be unhappy 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who illegally enter the United States, there's long been a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognition that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees fall under a different category. The 11 million 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrians who have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either fled the Arab country or are displaced within it are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dodging
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist groups such as the Islamic State or the barrel 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bombs of Syrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President Bashar Assad. Many are elderly, widowed or in need 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of medical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some Republican candidates have suggested that only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrians who are Christian be allowed on U.S. soil, something 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> President
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barack Obama has blasted as shameful. Yang said many 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evangelical Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would also oppose such a religious test, especially because 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many are eager
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to share their faith with new arrivals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The United States so far has admitted roughly 2,100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Syrians since the conflict in the country began in March 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2011. To be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allowed in, refugees have to undergo the most stringent 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> security checks of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any traveler heading to the United States, according to the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> State
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Department. Officials from the Obama administration on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tuesday began
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reaching out to the media and lawmakers in a bid to explain 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the screening
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process, which takes an average of 18-24 months.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, faith-based groups have also stepped up their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> advocacy efforts for refugees. The U.S. Conference of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catholic Bishops
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> released a statement expressing distress over calls by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elected officials to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> halt the resettlement program.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 151117_syrian_refugees_AP_1160.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> White House pushes back against GOP on refugees
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By NAHAL TOOSI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "These refugees are fleeing terror themselves — violence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like we have witnessed in Paris," said the statement by 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bishop Eusebio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Elizondo, chairman of the conference's committee on 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migration. "Instead of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using this tragedy to scapegoat all refugees, I call upon our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> public
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> officials to work together to end the Syrian conflict 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> peacefully so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> close to 4 million Syrian refugees can return to their 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country and rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their homes. Until that goal is achieved, we must work with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community to provide safe haven to vulnerable and deserving 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are simply attempting to survive."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since the Paris attacks, World Relief has used a website
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to urge people to contact their governors to express their 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resettling Syrians. The Anti-Defamation League also has 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spoken out in favor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of helping the Syrian refugees, noting that U.S. wariness to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accept Jewish
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugees during World War II is an example that must not be 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Greenblatt, the chief executive officer of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ADL and a former Obama aide, stressed that much remains 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unknown about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Paris attacks, including the exact nature of the allegation 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a Syrian
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> migrant was one of the eight or nine attackers. Even if a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> terrorist posed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a migrant to reach France, it's less likely that the U.S., 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with oceans
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to protect it and a stricter screening process, faces the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same level of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dangers, other advocates said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Republicans and Democrats have to tread very carefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here," Greenblatt said. "Faith-based voters are very 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attentive to these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issues. They’re very sensitive to helping those in need."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joanne Kelsey, assistant director for advocacy with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, said she hoped that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the sound and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fury over refugees would soon be replaced with reason as 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lawmakers and officials get more details about how the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> refugee program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This is a very reactionary time," she said.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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