When we enter into contracts with other Nations, then yes, I believe we must be true to our word. --- spoken like a fucking lawyer. that you will put the interests of other nations above those of America says tons.
On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 1:16:08 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > When we enter into contracts with other Nations, then yes, I believe we > must be true to our word. > > > > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:25 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> I do support the United States having the mightiest military arsenal and >> machine in the world, bar none, and be able to strike any opponent or any >> entity or individual who threatens our Nation or our people with only a >> moment's notice. >> --- >> so do I. >> the difference is that you would use it for the protection of allied >> nations. >> >> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 10:36:51 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> I've supported no "wasteful spending" and especially on shitholes like >>> the Middle East. Quite the contrary. >>> >>> I do support the United States having the mightiest military arsenal and >>> machine in the world, bar none, and be able to strike any opponent or any >>> entity or individual who threatens our Nation or our people with only a >>> moment's notice. >>> >>> I now understand why you oppose this..... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:32 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I go back to my thesis of "Progressives: (A) Progressives/Liberals >>>> are either uninformed or misinformed; or, >>>> --- >>>> intellectual arrogance noted. >>>> a common trait among lawyers. >>>> >>>> (B) They are Anti-American and wish to see our Nation become a Third >>>> World or Fourth World Nation-State. >>>> --- >>>> that's real funny coming from someone who supports wasteful spending >>>> and wars on that shit hole called the middle east and every other foreign >>>> dispute around the globe. >>>> your klan should not be allowed to use America's debit or credit cards. >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 8:03:05 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good Morning Pluto! >>>>> >>>>> I am saddened that you believe I am "blinkered"....Or blinded; or >>>>> refuse to look at any other point of view. That's just not the case. >>>>> Most >>>>> of my political opinions have been well formed and thought out, after >>>>> much >>>>> consideration and review of the issue. I've even been known to oppose >>>>> what >>>>> is generally thought of or termed a "conservative" or "Republican" >>>>> position. I try to look at issues with common sense and before I speak, >>>>> I >>>>> generally have an idea of what it is that I am talking about, as opposeed >>>>> to many who hold left of center viewpoints. >>>>> >>>>> I go back to my thesis of "Progressives: (A) Progressives/Liberals >>>>> are either uninformed or misinformed; or, (B) They are Anti-American and >>>>> wish to see our Nation become a Third World or Fourth World Nation-State. >>>>> >>>>> There's really no other option or explanation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, pluto of brougham < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> There is nothing wrong Keith in contemplating a better world, "Utopia" >>>>> as you'd term it, Plaino and I are irreconcilably opposed whereas guns >>>>> are >>>>> concerned, nonetheless he does make several valid points in his posts, >>>>> you >>>>> on the other hand, are so blinkered by your own very far right opinions >>>>> that you will not even consider anyone else's point of view. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Truman was in trouble and needed the NY Jewish vote ... that is the >>>>> only reason the US recognized Israel ... see he got it and won!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *"Harry Truman's Jewish Problem"* >>>>> >>>>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/harry-trumans-jewish-problem >>>>> >>>>> A newly discovered diary of Harry S Truman indicates that the former >>>>> president may have had a strongly negative opinion of Jews. In the diary, >>>>> which includes 42 entries written in 1947, Truman recounts a conversation >>>>> he had with Henry Morgenthau, the Secretary of the Treasury, who had >>>>> phoned >>>>> to discuss the fate of Jewish refugees. In criticizing the approach of >>>>> Morgenthau, who was Jewish, Truman wrote in a July 21 passage, "The Jews, >>>>> I >>>>> find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, >>>>> Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as >>>>> D[isplaced] >>>>> P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have >>>>> power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has >>>>> anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog." >>>>> *"We Can Learn a Lot From Truman the Bigot"* >>>>> >>>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/18/opinion/oe-kuznick18 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *"Nixon, Truman, and FDR’s Private Thoughts About Jews"* >>>>> >>>>> http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/30/nixon-truman-and-fdr%E2%80%99s-private-thoughts-about-jews/ >>>>> >>>>> One finds a similar phenomenon with regard to several earlier >>>>> presidents. A previously unknown diary by Harry Truman, discovered in >>>>> 2003, >>>>> revealed that he harbored harsh feelings about Jews. Incensed when former >>>>> Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. called him about the plight of >>>>> the >>>>> refugee ship Exodus in 1947, Truman wrote in his diary, “He [had] no >>>>> business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor >>>>> do >>>>> they have any judgment on world affairs… The Jews, I find, are very, very >>>>> selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, >>>>> Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[erson]s >>>>> as >>>>> long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, >>>>> physical, >>>>> financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for >>>>> cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog.” >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> as if there was a doubt about Truman's regard for the jews and israel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/index.php >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What is a "*de Facto*" recognition? >>>>> >>>>> That's PC Talk for, "Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda" but didn't..... >>>>> >>>>> No, Harry Truman and a number of Congressmen had serious reservations >>>>> about acknowledging the UN Created State of Israel, and it was months >>>>> after >>>>> the Soviets' acknowledgement that the U.S. formally acknowledged >>>>> recognition of the UN Created Nation-State of Israel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:42 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> UN member states >>>>> USA - Date of de facto recognition: 14 May 1948 >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The United States acknowledged Israel on 1 February 1949. Russia, on >>>>> the other hand, acknowledged Israel on 17 May 1948: >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter >>>>> of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It >>>>> was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of >>>>> Israel. >>>>> --- >>>>> your ignorance of history astounds me. >>>>> >>>>> The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was >>>>> winning WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States >>>>> involved in the war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish >>>>> homeland. The reason for the American involvement in the war and the >>>>> American contribution to the arrangement have not been widely understood: >>>>> the Balfour Declaration (as well as the later British Mandate) were >>>>> drafted >>>>> in both Britain and the US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis >>>>> Brandeis. >>>>> >>>>> Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris >>>>> Peace Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain would >>>>> come >>>>> through with its part of the agreement. >>>>> >>>>> Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists recognized >>>>> that they needed the support of the United States for Israel to survive >>>>> and >>>>> thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and political >>>>> pressure. >>>>> Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the State of Israel >>>>> immediately after it declared itself a state, had received a >>>>> then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had appeared >>>>> to >>>>> be a losing presidential campaign. State Department leaders were against >>>>> supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab countries >>>>> and, more importantly, violated important American principles of >>>>> self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to political >>>>> pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain such >>>>> America-first integrity. >>>>> >>>>> Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support the >>>>> creation of their state. The activities — basically bribes, lies, >>>>> subterfuge, threats and violence– included: >>>>> >>>>> - Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some seeing >>>>> that the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that required a >>>>> Jewish population; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim >>>>> with Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind the >>>>> scenes; >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews (including >>>>> falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more importantly, >>>>> sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their doors to Jewish >>>>> refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few choices of >>>>> refuge >>>>> outside of Israel); and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the >>>>> Scofield Reference Bible. >>>>> >>>>> Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting some >>>>> key examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the careers — if >>>>> not the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism and >>>>> academia who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting a >>>>> state that was based on religious discrimination. >>>>> >>>>> Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel, ignoring >>>>> highly significant later events, particularly those concerning Senator >>>>> William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that recycled >>>>> charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with JFK, to force >>>>> the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a foreign >>>>> government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the then-unheard of >>>>> Dale Bumpers. >>>>> >>>>> The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish community >>>>> has not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from anti-Semitism and >>>>> that >>>>> Americans must take back their country by insisting that their elected >>>>> officials place the interests of the United States before those of Israel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> A couple of points: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>>>> --- >>>>> true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists. >>>>> >>>>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>>>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept >>>>> the >>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, >>>>> --- >>>>> speculation noted. >>>>> >>>>> and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts >>>>> against Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster any >>>>> support for them. >>>>> --- >>>>> you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the palestinians >>>>> ... so discussing this issue with you is fruitless. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter >>>>> of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It >>>>> was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of >>>>> Israel. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of points: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>>>> >>>>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>>>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept >>>>> the >>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, and while Palestinians >>>>> continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for the >>>>> UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>>> It's just not. >>>>> --- >>>>> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are >>>>> committing with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't help you. >>>>> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other than >>>>> American. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only one >>>>> individual in the world who sees "Zionism"; e.g.; the desire to move to >>>>> a >>>>> Jewish Homeland, as violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. >>>>> >>>>> Are there repercussions from Zionism? Admittedly yes. But as you >>>>> love to sling around, "Not An American Concern". >>>>> >>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>>> >>>>> It's just not. Ridiculous. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That Judaism >>>>> is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently disagree with >>>>> that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at all >>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology >>>>> as >>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>> >>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown >>>>> up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>> --- >>>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to islam ... >>>>> the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both islam and judaic >>>>> zionism. >>>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet and the >>>>> enemy of the USA. >>>>> >>>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and 'interventionism' as >>>>> terrorism doesn't mean it's not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'! >>>>> >>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That Judaism >>>>> is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently disagree with >>>>> that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at all >>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology >>>>> as >>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>> >>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown >>>>> up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> law enforcement should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of >>>>> the state!!! >>>>> --- >>>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not identify them >>>>> from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS fags, law enforcement should >>>>> arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of the state!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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