Good Morning Pluto!

I am saddened that you believe I am "blinkered"....Or blinded; or refuse to
look at any other point of view.  That's just not the case.  Most of my
political opinions have been well formed and thought out, after much
consideration and review of the issue.  I've even been known to oppose what
is generally thought of or termed a "conservative" or "Republican"
position.  I try to look at issues with common sense and before I speak,  I
generally have an idea of what it is that I am talking about, as opposeed
to many who hold left of center viewpoints.

I go back to my thesis of "Progressives:  (A)  Progressives/Liberals are
either uninformed or misinformed; or, (B)  They are Anti-American and wish
to see our Nation become a Third World or Fourth World Nation-State.
There's really no other option or explanation.



On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, pluto of brougham <
[email protected]> wrote:

> There is nothing wrong Keith in contemplating a better world, "Utopia" as
> you'd term it, Plaino and I are irreconcilably opposed whereas guns are
> concerned, nonetheless he does make several valid points in his posts, you
> on the other hand, are so blinkered by your own very far right opinions
> that you will not even consider anyone else's point of view.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Truman was in trouble and needed the NY Jewish vote ... that is the only
>> reason the US recognized Israel ... see he got it and won!!!
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Harry Truman's Jewish Problem"*
>>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/harry-trumans-jewish-problem
>>>
>>> A newly discovered diary of Harry S Truman indicates that the former
>>> president may have had a strongly negative opinion of Jews. In the diary,
>>> which includes 42 entries written in 1947, Truman recounts a conversation
>>> he had with Henry Morgenthau, the Secretary of the Treasury, who had phoned
>>> to discuss the fate of Jewish refugees. In criticizing the approach of
>>> Morgenthau, who was Jewish, Truman wrote in a July 21 passage, "The Jews, I
>>> find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians,
>>> Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced]
>>> P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have
>>> power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has
>>> anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
>>> *"We Can Learn a Lot From Truman the Bigot"*
>>>
>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/18/opinion/oe-kuznick18
>>>
>>>
>>> *"Nixon, Truman, and FDR’s Private Thoughts About Jews"*
>>>
>>> http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/30/nixon-truman-and-fdr%E2%80%99s-private-thoughts-about-jews/
>>>
>>> One finds a similar phenomenon with regard to several earlier
>>> presidents. A previously unknown diary by Harry Truman, discovered in 2003,
>>> revealed that he harbored harsh feelings about Jews. Incensed when former
>>> Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. called him about the plight of the
>>> refugee ship Exodus in 1947, Truman wrote in his diary, “He [had] no
>>> business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do
>>> they have any judgment on world affairs… The Jews, I find, are very, very
>>> selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles,
>>> Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[erson]s as
>>> long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical,
>>> financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for
>>> cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog.”
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM, plainolamerican <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> as if there was a doubt about Truman's regard for the jews and israel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/index.php
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What is a "*de Facto*"  recognition?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's PC Talk for, "Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda" but didn't.....
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Harry Truman and a number of Congressmen had serious reservations
>>>>> about acknowledging the UN Created State of Israel, and it was months 
>>>>> after
>>>>> the Soviets' acknowledgement that the U.S. formally acknowledged
>>>>> recognition of the UN Created Nation-State of Israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:42 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> UN member states
>>>>>> USA - Date of de facto recognition: 14 May 1948
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The United States acknowledged Israel on 1 February 1949.   Russia,
>>>>>>> on the other hand, acknowledged Israel on 17 May 1948:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel.  As a
>>>>>>>> matter of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge
>>>>>>>> Israel.  It was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the
>>>>>>>> creation of Israel.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> your ignorance of history astounds me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was
>>>>>>>> winning WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States
>>>>>>>> involved in the war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish
>>>>>>>> homeland.  The reason for the American involvement in the war and the
>>>>>>>> American contribution to the arrangement have not been widely 
>>>>>>>> understood:
>>>>>>>> the Balfour Declaration (as well as the later British Mandate) were 
>>>>>>>> drafted
>>>>>>>> in both Britain and the US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice 
>>>>>>>> Louis
>>>>>>>> Brandeis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris
>>>>>>>> Peace Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain would 
>>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>>> through with its part of the agreement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists
>>>>>>>> recognized that they needed the support of the United States for 
>>>>>>>> Israel to
>>>>>>>> survive and thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and
>>>>>>>> political pressure.  Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the
>>>>>>>> State of Israel immediately after it declared itself a state, had 
>>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>>> a then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had 
>>>>>>>> appeared
>>>>>>>> to be a losing presidential campaign.  State Department leaders were
>>>>>>>> against supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab
>>>>>>>> countries and, more importantly, violated important American 
>>>>>>>> principles of
>>>>>>>> self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to 
>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>> pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain such
>>>>>>>> America-first integrity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support the
>>>>>>>> creation of their state.  The activities — basically bribes, lies,
>>>>>>>> subterfuge, threats and violence– included:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    -  Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some
>>>>>>>>    seeing that the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that 
>>>>>>>> required
>>>>>>>>    a Jewish population;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    -  Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim
>>>>>>>>    with Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind the 
>>>>>>>> scenes;
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews
>>>>>>>>    (including falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more
>>>>>>>>    importantly, sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their 
>>>>>>>> doors to
>>>>>>>>    Jewish refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few 
>>>>>>>> choices of
>>>>>>>>    refuge outside of Israel); and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    -  Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the
>>>>>>>>    Scofield Reference Bible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting
>>>>>>>> some key examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the 
>>>>>>>> careers —
>>>>>>>> if not the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism and
>>>>>>>> academia who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting a
>>>>>>>> state that was based on religious discrimination.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel,
>>>>>>>> ignoring highly significant later events, particularly those concerning
>>>>>>>> Senator William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that
>>>>>>>> recycled charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with 
>>>>>>>> JFK,
>>>>>>>> to force the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a 
>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>> government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the then-unheard 
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> Dale Bumpers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish community
>>>>>>>> has not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from anti-Semitism and 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> Americans must take back their country by insisting that their elected
>>>>>>>> officials place the interests of the United States before those of 
>>>>>>>> Israel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A couple of points:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1.   Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2.  I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab;
>>>>>>>> and Israel should be condemned by the UN,  (which they are and have 
>>>>>>>> been).
>>>>>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed.
>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians 
>>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel,
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> speculation noted.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts
>>>>>>>> against Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster 
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> support for them.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the
>>>>>>>> palestinians ... so discussing this issue with you is fruitless.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel.  As a
>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge
>>>>>>>>> Israel.  It was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> creation of Israel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A couple of points:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1.   Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.  I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab;
>>>>>>>>> and Israel should be condemned by the UN,  (which they are and have 
>>>>>>>>> been).
>>>>>>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed.
>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians 
>>>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel,  and while 
>>>>>>>>> Palestinians
>>>>>>>>> continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an
>>>>>>>>>> ideology similar in scope to Islam.
>>>>>>>>>> It's just not.
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are
>>>>>>>>>> committing with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't 
>>>>>>>>>> help you.
>>>>>>>>>> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other
>>>>>>>>>> than American.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only
>>>>>>>>>>> one individual in the world who sees "Zionism";  e.g.; the desire 
>>>>>>>>>>> to move
>>>>>>>>>>> to a Jewish Homeland, as violent.  Nothing could be further from 
>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are there repercussions from Zionism?  Admittedly yes.  But as
>>>>>>>>>>> you love to sling around, "Not An American Concern".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an
>>>>>>>>>>> ideology similar in scope to Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's just not.  Ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam.  I vehemently 
>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree
>>>>>>>>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not 
>>>>>>>>>>>> at all
>>>>>>>>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an 
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology as
>>>>>>>>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>> blown up this week?  This past year?  Over the last fifteen years?
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to
>>>>>>>>>>>> islam ... the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both 
>>>>>>>>>>>> islam and
>>>>>>>>>>>> judaic zionism.
>>>>>>>>>>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet and
>>>>>>>>>>>> the enemy of the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'interventionism' as terrorism doesn't mean it's not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam.  I vehemently 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blown up this week?  This past year?  Over the last fifteen years?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  law enforcement should arrest them all for being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traitors/enemies of the state!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identify them from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS fags, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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