as if there was a doubt about Truman's regard for the jews and israel. http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/index.php
On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > What is a "*de Facto*" recognition? > > That's PC Talk for, "Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda" but didn't..... > > No, Harry Truman and a number of Congressmen had serious reservations > about acknowledging the UN Created State of Israel, and it was months after > the Soviets' acknowledgement that the U.S. formally acknowledged > recognition of the UN Created Nation-State of Israel. > > > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:42 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> UN member states >> USA - Date of de facto recognition: 14 May 1948 >> >> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> The United States acknowledged Israel on 1 February 1949. Russia, on >>> the other hand, acknowledged Israel on 17 May 1948: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of >>>> fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was >>>> the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. >>>> --- >>>> your ignorance of history astounds me. >>>> >>>> The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was winning >>>> WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States involved in >>>> the >>>> war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish homeland. The reason >>>> for the American involvement in the war and the American contribution to >>>> the arrangement have not been widely understood: the Balfour Declaration >>>> (as well as the later British Mandate) were drafted in both Britain and >>>> the >>>> US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. >>>> >>>> Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris Peace >>>> Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain would come >>>> through with its part of the agreement. >>>> >>>> Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists recognized >>>> that they needed the support of the United States for Israel to survive >>>> and >>>> thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and political pressure. >>>> >>>> Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the State of Israel >>>> immediately after it declared itself a state, had received a >>>> then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had appeared >>>> to >>>> be a losing presidential campaign. State Department leaders were against >>>> supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab countries >>>> and, more importantly, violated important American principles of >>>> self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to political >>>> pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain such >>>> America-first integrity. >>>> >>>> Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support the >>>> creation of their state. The activities — basically bribes, lies, >>>> subterfuge, threats and violence– included: >>>> >>>> - Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some seeing >>>> that the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that required a >>>> Jewish population; >>>> >>>> >>>> - Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim with >>>> Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind the scenes; >>>> >>>> >>>> - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews (including >>>> falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more importantly, >>>> sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their doors to Jewish >>>> refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few choices of >>>> refuge >>>> outside of Israel); and >>>> >>>> >>>> - Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the >>>> Scofield Reference Bible. >>>> >>>> Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting some >>>> key examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the careers — if >>>> not the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism and >>>> academia who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting a >>>> state that was based on religious discrimination. >>>> >>>> Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel, ignoring >>>> highly significant later events, particularly those concerning Senator >>>> William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that recycled >>>> charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with JFK, to force >>>> the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a foreign >>>> government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the then-unheard of >>>> Dale Bumpers. >>>> >>>> The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish community has >>>> not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from anti-Semitism and that >>>> Americans must take back their country by insisting that their elected >>>> officials place the interests of the United States before those of Israel. >>>> >>>> >>>> A couple of points: >>>> >>>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>>> --- >>>> true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists. >>>> >>>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept >>>> the >>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, >>>> --- >>>> speculation noted. >>>> >>>> and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts >>>> against Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster any >>>> support for them. >>>> --- >>>> you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the palestinians >>>> ... so discussing this issue with you is fruitless. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter >>>>> of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It >>>>> was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of >>>>> Israel. >>>>> >>>>> A couple of points: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>>>> >>>>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>>>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept >>>>> the >>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, and while Palestinians >>>>> continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for the >>>>> UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>>>> It's just not. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are >>>>>> committing with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't help >>>>>> you. >>>>>> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other than >>>>>> American. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only one >>>>>>> individual in the world who sees "Zionism"; e.g.; the desire to move >>>>>>> to a >>>>>>> Jewish Homeland, as violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there repercussions from Zionism? Admittedly yes. But as you >>>>>>> love to sling around, "Not An American Concern". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>>>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's just not. Ridiculous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That >>>>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently >>>>>>>> disagree >>>>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at >>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an >>>>>>>> ideology as >>>>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews >>>>>>>> blown up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to islam >>>>>>>> ... the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both islam and >>>>>>>> judaic >>>>>>>> zionism. >>>>>>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet and the >>>>>>>> enemy of the USA. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and 'interventionism' >>>>>>>> as terrorism doesn't mean it's not. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That >>>>>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently >>>>>>>>> disagree >>>>>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at >>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an >>>>>>>>> ideology as >>>>>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews >>>>>>>>> blown up this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> law enforcement should arrest them all for being >>>>>>>>>> traitors/enemies of the state!!! >>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not identify >>>>>>>>>>> them from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS fags, law >>>>>>>>>>> enforcement >>>>>>>>>>> should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of the state!!! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>>>> For options & help see >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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