When we enter into contracts with other Nations, then yes, I believe we must be true to our word.
On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 12:25 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > I do support the United States having the mightiest military arsenal and > machine in the world, bar none, and be able to strike any opponent or any > entity or individual who threatens our Nation or our people with only a > moment's notice. > --- > so do I. > the difference is that you would use it for the protection of allied > nations. > > On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 10:36:51 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> I've supported no "wasteful spending" and especially on shitholes like >> the Middle East. Quite the contrary. >> >> I do support the United States having the mightiest military arsenal and >> machine in the world, bar none, and be able to strike any opponent or any >> entity or individual who threatens our Nation or our people with only a >> moment's notice. >> >> I now understand why you oppose this..... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:32 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I go back to my thesis of "Progressives: (A) Progressives/Liberals are >>> either uninformed or misinformed; or, >>> --- >>> intellectual arrogance noted. >>> a common trait among lawyers. >>> >>> (B) They are Anti-American and wish to see our Nation become a Third >>> World or Fourth World Nation-State. >>> --- >>> that's real funny coming from someone who supports wasteful spending and >>> wars on that shit hole called the middle east and every other foreign >>> dispute around the globe. >>> your klan should not be allowed to use America's debit or credit cards. >>> >>> On Wednesday, December 30, 2015 at 8:03:05 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Good Morning Pluto! >>>> >>>> I am saddened that you believe I am "blinkered"....Or blinded; or >>>> refuse to look at any other point of view. That's just not the case. Most >>>> of my political opinions have been well formed and thought out, after much >>>> consideration and review of the issue. I've even been known to oppose what >>>> is generally thought of or termed a "conservative" or "Republican" >>>> position. I try to look at issues with common sense and before I speak, I >>>> generally have an idea of what it is that I am talking about, as opposeed >>>> to many who hold left of center viewpoints. >>>> >>>> I go back to my thesis of "Progressives: (A) Progressives/Liberals >>>> are either uninformed or misinformed; or, (B) They are Anti-American and >>>> wish to see our Nation become a Third World or Fourth World Nation-State. >>>> There's really no other option or explanation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, pluto of brougham < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> There is nothing wrong Keith in contemplating a better world, "Utopia" >>>> as you'd term it, Plaino and I are irreconcilably opposed whereas guns are >>>> concerned, nonetheless he does make several valid points in his posts, you >>>> on the other hand, are so blinkered by your own very far right opinions >>>> that you will not even consider anyone else's point of view. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Truman was in trouble and needed the NY Jewish vote ... that is the >>>> only reason the US recognized Israel ... see he got it and won!!! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *"Harry Truman's Jewish Problem"* >>>> >>>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/harry-trumans-jewish-problem >>>> >>>> A newly discovered diary of Harry S Truman indicates that the former >>>> president may have had a strongly negative opinion of Jews. In the diary, >>>> which includes 42 entries written in 1947, Truman recounts a conversation >>>> he had with Henry Morgenthau, the Secretary of the Treasury, who had phoned >>>> to discuss the fate of Jewish refugees. In criticizing the approach of >>>> Morgenthau, who was Jewish, Truman wrote in a July 21 passage, "The Jews, I >>>> find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, >>>> Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] >>>> P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have >>>> power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has >>>> anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog." >>>> *"We Can Learn a Lot From Truman the Bigot"* >>>> >>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/18/opinion/oe-kuznick18 >>>> >>>> >>>> *"Nixon, Truman, and FDR’s Private Thoughts About Jews"* >>>> >>>> http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/30/nixon-truman-and-fdr%E2%80%99s-private-thoughts-about-jews/ >>>> >>>> One finds a similar phenomenon with regard to several earlier >>>> presidents. A previously unknown diary by Harry Truman, discovered in 2003, >>>> revealed that he harbored harsh feelings about Jews. Incensed when former >>>> Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. called him about the plight of the >>>> refugee ship Exodus in 1947, Truman wrote in his diary, “He [had] no >>>> business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do >>>> they have any judgment on world affairs… The Jews, I find, are very, very >>>> selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, >>>> Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[erson]s as >>>> long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, >>>> financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for >>>> cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog.” >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> as if there was a doubt about Truman's regard for the jews and israel. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/index.php >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> What is a "*de Facto*" recognition? >>>> >>>> That's PC Talk for, "Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda" but didn't..... >>>> >>>> No, Harry Truman and a number of Congressmen had serious reservations >>>> about acknowledging the UN Created State of Israel, and it was months after >>>> the Soviets' acknowledgement that the U.S. formally acknowledged >>>> recognition of the UN Created Nation-State of Israel. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:42 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> UN member states >>>> USA - Date of de facto recognition: 14 May 1948 >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> The United States acknowledged Israel on 1 February 1949. Russia, on >>>> the other hand, acknowledged Israel on 17 May 1948: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of >>>> fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was >>>> the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. >>>> --- >>>> your ignorance of history astounds me. >>>> >>>> The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was winning >>>> WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States involved in the >>>> war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish homeland. The reason >>>> for the American involvement in the war and the American contribution to >>>> the arrangement have not been widely understood: the Balfour Declaration >>>> (as well as the later British Mandate) were drafted in both Britain and the >>>> US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis. >>>> >>>> Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris Peace >>>> Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain would come >>>> through with its part of the agreement. >>>> >>>> Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists recognized >>>> that they needed the support of the United States for Israel to survive and >>>> thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and political pressure. >>>> Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the State of Israel >>>> immediately after it declared itself a state, had received a >>>> then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had appeared to >>>> be a losing presidential campaign. State Department leaders were against >>>> supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab countries >>>> and, more importantly, violated important American principles of >>>> self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to political >>>> pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain such >>>> America-first integrity. >>>> >>>> Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support the >>>> creation of their state. The activities — basically bribes, lies, >>>> subterfuge, threats and violence– included: >>>> >>>> - Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some seeing >>>> that the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that required a >>>> Jewish population; >>>> >>>> >>>> - Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim with >>>> Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind the scenes; >>>> >>>> >>>> - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews (including >>>> falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more importantly, >>>> sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their doors to Jewish >>>> refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few choices of >>>> refuge >>>> outside of Israel); and >>>> >>>> >>>> - Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the >>>> Scofield Reference Bible. >>>> >>>> Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting some >>>> key examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the careers — if >>>> not the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism and >>>> academia who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting a >>>> state that was based on religious discrimination. >>>> >>>> Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel, ignoring >>>> highly significant later events, particularly those concerning Senator >>>> William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that recycled >>>> charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with JFK, to force >>>> the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a foreign >>>> government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the then-unheard of >>>> Dale Bumpers. >>>> >>>> The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish community has >>>> not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from anti-Semitism and that >>>> Americans must take back their country by insisting that their elected >>>> officials place the interests of the United States before those of Israel. >>>> >>>> >>>> A couple of points: >>>> >>>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>>> --- >>>> true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists. >>>> >>>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept the >>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, >>>> --- >>>> speculation noted. >>>> >>>> and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts >>>> against Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster any >>>> support for them. >>>> --- >>>> you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the palestinians >>>> ... so discussing this issue with you is fruitless. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel. As a matter of >>>> fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge Israel. It was >>>> the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting the creation of Israel. >>>> >>>> >>>> A couple of points: >>>> >>>> 1. Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel. >>>> >>>> 2. I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab; and >>>> Israel should be condemned by the UN, (which they are and have been). >>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed. >>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians accept the >>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel, and while Palestinians >>>> continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard for the >>>> UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>> It's just not. >>>> --- >>>> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are >>>> committing with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't help you. >>>> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other than >>>> American. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only one >>>> individual in the world who sees "Zionism"; e.g.; the desire to move to a >>>> Jewish Homeland, as violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. >>>> >>>> Are there repercussions from Zionism? Admittedly yes. But as you love >>>> to sling around, "Not An American Concern". >>>> >>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an ideology >>>> similar in scope to Islam. >>>> >>>> It's just not. Ridiculous. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That Judaism >>>> is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently disagree with >>>> that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at all >>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology as >>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>> >>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown up >>>> this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>> --- >>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to islam ... >>>> the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both islam and judaic >>>> zionism. >>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet and the >>>> enemy of the USA. >>>> >>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and 'interventionism' as >>>> terrorism doesn't mean it's not. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: >>>> >>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'! >>>> >>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct. That Judaism >>>> is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam. I vehemently disagree with >>>> that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are not at all >>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an ideology as >>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful. >>>> >>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews blown up >>>> this week? This past year? Over the last fifteen years? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> law enforcement should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of >>>> the state!!! >>>> --- >>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine wrote: >>>> >>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not identify them >>>> from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS fags, law enforcement should >>>> arrest them all for being traitors/enemies of the state!!! >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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