Good Morning Regan!

Always a pleasure to get the opportunity to say "Hey"!

I saw your post in one of these recent threads regarding "Marriage" and as
always, you were "Spot On".  It influenced me in what I wrote this morning
to Brine in another thread.

I will get the opportunity to address everyone today or tomorrow, but
here's wishing you and your family a very prosperous, exciting, adventurous
and healthy 2016!



On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Regan Duffy <[email protected]> wrote:

> Keith, don't sweat it.  This is just another case of Pluto's chronic
> projection.
>
> Doesn't surprise me in the least that Pluto and Plain Ol are "soul mates".
>
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>
>
> Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Good Morning Pluto!
>
> I am saddened that you believe I am "blinkered"....Or blinded; or refuse
> to look at any other point of view.  That's just not the case.  Most of my
> political opinions have been well formed and thought out, after much
> consideration and review of the issue.  I've even been known to oppose what
> is generally thought of or termed a "conservative" or "Republican"
> position.  I try to look at issues with common sense and before I speak,  I
> generally have an idea of what it is that I am talking about, as opposeed
> to many who hold left of center viewpoints.
>
> I go back to my thesis of "Progressives:  (A)  Progressives/Liberals are
> either uninformed or misinformed; or, (B)  They are Anti-American and wish
> to see our Nation become a Third World or Fourth World Nation-State.
> There's really no other option or explanation.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:47 PM, pluto of brougham <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> There is nothing wrong Keith in contemplating a better world, "Utopia" as
>> you'd term it, Plaino and I are irreconcilably opposed whereas guns are
>> concerned, nonetheless he does make several valid points in his posts, you
>> on the other hand, are so blinkered by your own very far right opinions
>> that you will not even consider anyone else's point of view.
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Truman was in trouble and needed the NY Jewish vote ... that is the only
>>> reason the US recognized Israel ... see he got it and won!!!
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *"Harry Truman's Jewish Problem"*
>>>>
>>>> http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/harry-trumans-jewish-problem
>>>>
>>>> A newly discovered diary of Harry S Truman indicates that the former
>>>> president may have had a strongly negative opinion of Jews. In the diary,
>>>> which includes 42 entries written in 1947, Truman recounts a conversation
>>>> he had with Henry Morgenthau, the Secretary of the Treasury, who had phoned
>>>> to discuss the fate of Jewish refugees. In criticizing the approach of
>>>> Morgenthau, who was Jewish, Truman wrote in a July 21 passage, "The Jews, I
>>>> find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians,
>>>> Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced]
>>>> P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have
>>>> power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has
>>>> anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."
>>>> *"We Can Learn a Lot From Truman the Bigot"*
>>>>
>>>> http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/18/opinion/oe-kuznick18
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *"Nixon, Truman, and FDR’s Private Thoughts About Jews"*
>>>>
>>>> http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/08/30/nixon-truman-and-fdr%E2%80%99s-private-thoughts-about-jews/
>>>>
>>>> One finds a similar phenomenon with regard to several earlier
>>>> presidents. A previously unknown diary by Harry Truman, discovered in 2003,
>>>> revealed that he harbored harsh feelings about Jews. Incensed when former
>>>> Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau, Jr. called him about the plight of the
>>>> refugee ship Exodus in 1947, Truman wrote in his diary, “He [had] no
>>>> business, whatever to call me. The Jews have no sense of proportion nor do
>>>> they have any judgment on world affairs… The Jews, I find, are very, very
>>>> selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles,
>>>> Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[erson]s as
>>>> long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical,
>>>> financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for
>>>> cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog.”
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 3:19 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> as if there was a doubt about Truman's regard for the jews and israel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/study_collections/israel/large/index.php
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 2:05:14 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is a "*de Facto*"  recognition?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's PC Talk for, "Shoulda-Woulda-Coulda" but didn't.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Harry Truman and a number of Congressmen had serious reservations
>>>>>> about acknowledging the UN Created State of Israel, and it was months 
>>>>>> after
>>>>>> the Soviets' acknowledgement that the U.S. formally acknowledged
>>>>>> recognition of the UN Created Nation-State of Israel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:42 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> UN member states
>>>>>>> USA - Date of de facto recognition: 14 May 1948
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 1:25:59 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The United States acknowledged Israel on 1 February 1949.   Russia,
>>>>>>>> on the other hand, acknowledged Israel on 17 May 1948:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Israel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel.  As a
>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge
>>>>>>>>> Israel.  It was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting 
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> creation of Israel.
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> your ignorance of history astounds me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The agreement, which occurred when it appeared that Germany was
>>>>>>>>> winning WW I, was that Zionists would work to get the United States
>>>>>>>>> involved in the war if Britain would deliver Palestine as a Jewish
>>>>>>>>> homeland.  The reason for the American involvement in the war and the
>>>>>>>>> American contribution to the arrangement have not been widely 
>>>>>>>>> understood:
>>>>>>>>> the Balfour Declaration (as well as the later British Mandate) were 
>>>>>>>>> drafted
>>>>>>>>> in both Britain and the US, including by U.S. Supreme Court Justice 
>>>>>>>>> Louis
>>>>>>>>> Brandeis.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Germany had no inkling of this deal until the post-war 1919 Paris
>>>>>>>>> Peace Conference, which Zionists attended to ensure that Britain 
>>>>>>>>> would come
>>>>>>>>> through with its part of the agreement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Even before Britain washed its hands of Palestine, Zionists
>>>>>>>>> recognized that they needed the support of the United States for 
>>>>>>>>> Israel to
>>>>>>>>> survive and thrive, so the U.S. became the focus of propaganda and
>>>>>>>>> political pressure.  Harry Truman, the US President who recognized the
>>>>>>>>> State of Israel immediately after it declared itself a state, had 
>>>>>>>>> received
>>>>>>>>> a then-staggering $2 million from a Zionist donor during what had 
>>>>>>>>> appeared
>>>>>>>>> to be a losing presidential campaign.  State Department leaders were
>>>>>>>>> against supporting Israel because it damaged U.S. relations with Arab
>>>>>>>>> countries and, more importantly, violated important American 
>>>>>>>>> principles of
>>>>>>>>> self-determination and justice. Elected leaders, vulnerable to 
>>>>>>>>> political
>>>>>>>>> pressure and access to campaign funding, were not able to maintain 
>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> America-first integrity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Weir documented various little-known Zionist efforts to support
>>>>>>>>> the creation of their state.  The activities — basically bribes, lies,
>>>>>>>>> subterfuge, threats and violence– included:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -  Zionist leaders’ “mixed reaction” to Nazism, with some
>>>>>>>>>    seeing that the convergent goals would benefit a Jewish state that 
>>>>>>>>> required
>>>>>>>>>    a Jewish population;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -  Secret American Zionist clubs (including the elite Parushim
>>>>>>>>>    with Felix Frankfurter) which pledged to work for Israel behind 
>>>>>>>>> the scenes;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    - Creating the myth that a refuge was needed for Jews
>>>>>>>>>    (including falsifying anti-Semitism in Germany and Poland and, more
>>>>>>>>>    importantly, sabotaging western countries’ efforts to open their 
>>>>>>>>> doors to
>>>>>>>>>    Jewish refugees after WW II in order to ensure that Jews had few 
>>>>>>>>> choices of
>>>>>>>>>    refuge outside of Israel); and
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    -  Zionists’ role in the creation of Christian Zionism and the
>>>>>>>>>    Scofield Reference Bible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Weir ends her short history of Israel’s creation by documenting
>>>>>>>>> some key examples of how Israel-firsters were able to destroy the 
>>>>>>>>> careers —
>>>>>>>>> if not the lives — of prominent Americans in government, journalism 
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> academia who warned of the loss of American credibility in supporting 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> state that was based on religious discrimination.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Weir keeps her book focused on the early history of Israel,
>>>>>>>>> ignoring highly significant later events, particularly those 
>>>>>>>>> concerning
>>>>>>>>> Senator William Fulbright: his uncovering of Jewish charity fraud that
>>>>>>>>> recycled charitable donations into US propaganda, his attempts, with 
>>>>>>>>> JFK,
>>>>>>>>> to force the main Zionist organization to register as an agent of a 
>>>>>>>>> foreign
>>>>>>>>> government and the loss of Fulbright’s Senate seat to the 
>>>>>>>>> then-unheard of
>>>>>>>>> Dale Bumpers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main messages from Weir’s history are that the Jewish
>>>>>>>>> community has not legitimately needed a homeland- refuge from 
>>>>>>>>> anti-Semitism
>>>>>>>>> and that Americans must take back their country by insisting that 
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> elected officials place the interests of the United States before 
>>>>>>>>> those of
>>>>>>>>> Israel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A couple of points:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1.   Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel.
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> true ... Israel was hijacked by zionist terrorists.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2.  I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab;
>>>>>>>>> and Israel should be condemned by the UN,  (which they are and have 
>>>>>>>>> been).
>>>>>>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed.
>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians 
>>>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel,
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> speculation noted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   and while Palestinians continue to perpetrate terroristic acts
>>>>>>>>> against Israel, it's hard for the UN, or any one individual to muster 
>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>> support for them.
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> you obviously won't recognize israel's terrorism of the
>>>>>>>>> palestinians ... so discussing this issue with you is fruitless.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 12:09:34 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Uhm.....It wasn't the United States that formed Israel.  As a
>>>>>>>>>> matter of fact, we were one of the last Nations to even acknowledge
>>>>>>>>>> Israel.  It was the United Nations with the Soviet Union supporting 
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> creation of Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A couple of points:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1.   Biblical Israel is not at all the same as UN created Israel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2.  I concur that the U.S. should not support Israel's land grab;
>>>>>>>>>> and Israel should be condemned by the UN,  (which they are and have 
>>>>>>>>>> been).
>>>>>>>>>> Israel has UN Sanctions than Iraq and Saddam Hussein ever amassed.
>>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless, until such time as the Arab world and Palestinians 
>>>>>>>>>> accept the
>>>>>>>>>> fact that there is, and always will be an Israel,  and while 
>>>>>>>>>> Palestinians
>>>>>>>>>> continue to perpetrate terroristic acts against Israel, it's hard 
>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>> UN, or any one individual to muster any support for them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:15 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an
>>>>>>>>>>> ideology similar in scope to Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's just not.
>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>> if you can't see the genocide and land theft that zionists are
>>>>>>>>>>> committing with extorted US weapons and tax dollars then I can't 
>>>>>>>>>>> help you.
>>>>>>>>>>> go ahead and buddy up with the zionists and be something other
>>>>>>>>>>> than American.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-6, KeithInTampa
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because your premise is flawed, and you apparently are the only
>>>>>>>>>>>> one individual in the world who sees "Zionism";  e.g.; the desire 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to move
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a Jewish Homeland, as violent.  Nothing could be further from 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the truth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are there repercussions from Zionism?  Admittedly yes.  But as
>>>>>>>>>>>> you love to sling around, "Not An American Concern".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sitting here trying to even contemplate Zionism as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology similar in scope to Islam.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just not.  Ridiculous.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 11:06 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct.  That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam.  I vehemently 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with that, and could give numerous examples of how the two are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely resemble an 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and truthful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical Jews
>>>>>>>>>>>>> blown up this week?  This past year?  Over the last fifteen years?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not comparing judaism to isalm. I'm comparing zionism to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> islam ... the same way I would compare zionist xianity to both 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> islam and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> judaic zionism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're the most violent, warmongering people on the planet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the enemy of the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and just because you don't see their bigotry and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'interventionism' as terrorism doesn't mean it's not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, December 29, 2015 at 8:27:25 AM UTC-6,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good Morning Plain Ol'!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's assume for a moment, that your premise is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That Judaism is an "ideology" similar in scope to Islam.  I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vehemently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with that, and could give numerous examples of how the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at all comparable, and that Judaism doesn't even remotely 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resemble an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideology as does Islam, let's go with your point as accurate and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthful.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many Christians, Americans, or airplanes have radical
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jews blown up this week?  This past year?  Over the last fifteen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  law enforcement should arrest them all for being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traitors/enemies of the state!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they should also arrest these traitors/enemies of the state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 5:59:07 PM UTC-6, brine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Honestly I see nothing but material/flags but can not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> identify them from the photo ... if they are in fact ISIS 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fags, law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforcement should arrest them all for being traitors/enemies 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ​
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