If that's the case, (which I don't believe.....*See *the whole concept of "Hijra" then I see no other option other than nuclear......Let's do it and get it over with.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > Why ISIS Cannot Be Negotiated With > --- > because the damage that warmongering US neocons and zionists have done to > the region are too severe for them to forgive. They would rather see their > heads roll than to negotiate. > > > On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:05:53 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2016/01/why-isis-cannot-be-negotiated/125020/ >> ? >> >> >> Why ISIS Cannot Be Negotiated With >> >> January 11, 2016 By H. A. Hellyer >> <http://www.defenseone.com/voices/h-hellyer/11814/> >> >> Jonathan Powell argues that talking to terrorists has brought peace in >> the past. But the Islamic State really is different. >> >> *In his recent Atlantic *piece >> <http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/12/negotiate-with-isis/419157/> >> on >> “What to Do About ISIS >> <http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/what-to-do-about-isis/>,” >> Jonathan Powell, a former senior British diplomat, posits that eventually, >> the West would have to negotiate with the so-called Islamic State. It’s a >> comforting thought, in a way—the suggestion presupposes that ISIS, just >> like many other armed organizations throughout history, is the kind of >> group that can eventually be reasoned with, however distasteful its enemies >> may find the prospect. Noting numerous examples in which governments have >> talked their way to peace with terrorist organizations, Powell >> acknowledges, “of course people argue that ISIS is completely different >> from anything we have seen before. But people have said that about each new >> armed group since the rise of the IRA in 1919.” >> >> If Powell’s historical analogies worked, the struggle against ISIS would >> be a lot simpler. Unfortunately, the analysis underappreciates how direly >> different ISIS actually is. The armed groups that Powell describes as >> having accepted negotiated settlements were fundamentally nationalist >> organizations—even where the group or “nation” on whose behalf they fought >> was sometimes defined partly in terms of religious identity—with >> fundamentally political and pragmatic aims. ISIS is instead a radical >> supra-nationalist group based on a deeply perverted interpretation of Sunni >> Islam, and it has hugely maximalist goals. >> >> Powell’s key example is the Irish Republican Army, which was a Catholic >> organization insofar as it used Catholic identity for political ends, >> cultivating a sense of Irish Catholic nationalism to fight for the ejection >> of the British from Northern Ireland and for political union with their >> Catholic brethren to the south. But the IRA was not trying to conquer >> the whole of the British Isles for Catholicism, nor to hasten the return of >> the Christian messiah and the end of the world. Powell, who was the chief >> British negotiator in Northern Ireland when the Good Friday Accords helped >> bring an end to decades of violence in the country, notes that “when we sat >> down with the Republicans … we found that there were a series of legitimate >> subjects they wanted to discuss—from power-sharing between Catholics and >> Protestants to the protection of human rights.” >> >> ISIS, by contrast, is not fundamentally nationalist in this way, as >> Powell implies in his emphasis on the group’s appeals to Sunni identity, >> whether in Syria or Iraq. Rather, even while individual paths to joining >> ISIS may vary tremendously, and no doubt do in some cases rest on >> nationalist Sunni grievances, the leadership of the group has been quite >> clear about its genuinely held aims, which include the complete domination >> of Syria, Iraq, and locations far beyond. >> >> It’s not the presence of religious identity as such that makes ISIS >> different. As Powell points out, there have been a number of militant >> groups in history that have used religion for political goals and were >> still susceptible to negotiated peace. The Irish Republican Army was one >> such example, as were various Muslim groups, including the Moro Islamic >> Liberation Front in the Philippines, which Powell points to as proving that >> governments have “made peace with Islamic [sic] guerrillas before … so it >> is not impossible to do.” Religion, or even strong ideology, as in the case >> of the FMLN in El Salvador, does not make negotiation impossible. >> Indeed, many, if not most, of the rebel groups currently fighting Bashar >> al-Assad’s repugnant and brutal regime in Syria are motivated by religious >> precepts, and instrumentalize religion for political ends. Those groups can >> and should be negotiated with, and in some cases empowered against Assad >> and ISIS, even while their interlocutors must continuously interrogate >> any faults, flaws, or failings they may have. >> >> <a href=" >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=defenseone-instream;sz=600x300;"; >> title="">< img alt="" src=" >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=defenseone-instream;sz=600x300;tile=4;"/>< >> /a> >> >> <a href=" >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-tablet;sz=700x350;"; >> title="">< img alt="" src=" >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-tablet;sz=700x350;tile=5;"/>< >> /a> >> >> <a href=" >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-mobile;sz=300x150;"; >> title="">< img alt="" src=" >> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-mobile;sz=300x150;tile=6;"/>< >> /a> >> >> But these other groups, from Ireland to the Philippines to Syria, fought >> or are fighting for limited political goals, within a defined geographic >> space—whether those goals were Catholic rights in Northern Ireland, Moro >> autonomy in the Philippines, or the reformation or end of the Assad regime >> in Syria. ISIS, however, is not primarily a Sunni Arab uprising aimed at >> protecting the civil or political rights of Sunni Muslims in Syria or Iraq. >> ISIS is an outgrowth of a broader uprising. But it is more than that. >> >> This is evident, for example, in the context of the Syrian Civil War, >> where ISIS is one of the major combatants, but is correctly not invited >> to international negotiations >> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iran-saudi-arabia-us-syria-217318> >> aimed >> at resolving the conflict. On that battlefield, and in contrast to other >> groups there, ISIS is not just an insurgency working for a specifically >> Syrian political cause. Its has regional and global ambitions that go far >> beyond defeating Assad’s army. And unlike the Kurds, whose own regional >> ambitions extend only to the lands Kurds have historically occupied, ISIS >> specifically rejects territorial limits to its power: Its very slogan >> <http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/is-isis-still-remaining-and-expanding> >> is >> “remaining and expanding.” >> >> The IRA was not trying to conquer the whole of the British Isles for >> Catholicism, nor to hasten the return of the Christian messiah and the end >> of the world. >> >> An insurgency can end through negotiation and the satisfaction of >> certain, often predictable, political aims, such as the withdrawal of >> foreign military forces, or the granting of autonomy. But ISIS does not >> demand the withdrawal of foreign military forces—quite the contrary, it has >> expressed the wish to draw foreign armies into its territory >> <http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/>, >> and to export its military force beyond Syria and Iraq. It does not call >> for the simple granting of autonomy to its members and supporters in Syria >> and Iraq—it works to end the autonomy of others in both places, and far >> beyond, not least through ethnic cleansing and the worldwide export of >> wanton violence. If ISIS were willing to be satisfied by, say, a joint >> Sunni Arab zone in Syria and Iraq, governed under a perverted form of >> Islamic law, then one could talk about the possibility, if not the >> laudability, of negotiation. But the point of ISIS is precisely that it >> cannot be satisfied without forcibly changing the very contours of the >> current international order. >> >> Powell suggests that “even if some of the hardline leaders of ISIS … >> want nothing less than their full demands (including ushering in the >> apocalypse), other more moderate leaders will, under military pressure, be >> prepared to settle for more modest gains.” Negotiations should, in his >> view, “strengthen those moderates’ positions in ISIS’s internal >> discussions.” Indeed, it is possible to “peel away” ISIS members, as >> evidenced by the number of occasions on which ISIS recruits have defected >> <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28269596> after realizing >> that the group isn’t all it is cracked up to be. But those “moderate” >> former members are essentially irrelevant to the group (unless of course >> they’re targeted for execution); they are not about to influence >> discussions within ISIS, much less take it over. These defections have >> in no way pushed the group toward being more palatable to international >> norms—in fact ISIS’s continued ability to recruit depends in part on the >> leadership’s very refusal to accept “nothing less than their full demands.” >> If ISIS remains true to its principles, that’s also the reason the world >> can accept nothing less than the group’s full defeat. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __._,_.___ >> ------------------------------ >> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> Visit Your Group >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmazlyODZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NTI2MjIwMDI-> >> >> - New Members >> >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbXZjcTI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDUyNjIyMDAy> >> 1 >> >> [image: Yahoo! 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