I see no other option other than nuclear......Let's do it and get it over with. --- says another warmongering zionist. take your war with the muzzies back to the middle east, zioboy.
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:18:47 PM UTC-6, KeithInTampa wrote: > > If that's the case, (which I don't believe.....*See *the whole concept > of "Hijra" then I see no other option other than nuclear......Let's do it > and get it over with. > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Why ISIS Cannot Be Negotiated With >> --- >> because the damage that warmongering US neocons and zionists have done to >> the region are too severe for them to forgive. They would rather see their >> heads roll than to negotiate. >> >> >> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:05:53 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2016/01/why-isis-cannot-be-negotiated/125020/ >>> ? >>> >>> >>> Why ISIS Cannot Be Negotiated With >>> >>> January 11, 2016 By H. A. Hellyer >>> <http://www.defenseone.com/voices/h-hellyer/11814/> >>> >>> Jonathan Powell argues that talking to terrorists has brought peace in >>> the past. But the Islamic State really is different. >>> >>> *In his recent Atlantic *piece >>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/12/negotiate-with-isis/419157/> >>> on >>> “What to Do About ISIS >>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/what-to-do-about-isis/>,” >>> Jonathan Powell, a former senior British diplomat, posits that eventually, >>> the West would have to negotiate with the so-called Islamic State. It’s a >>> comforting thought, in a way—the suggestion presupposes that ISIS, just >>> like many other armed organizations throughout history, is the kind of >>> group that can eventually be reasoned with, however distasteful its enemies >>> may find the prospect. Noting numerous examples in which governments have >>> talked their way to peace with terrorist organizations, Powell >>> acknowledges, “of course people argue that ISIS is completely different >>> from anything we have seen before. But people have said that about each new >>> armed group since the rise of the IRA in 1919.” >>> >>> If Powell’s historical analogies worked, the struggle against ISIS >>> would be a lot simpler. Unfortunately, the analysis underappreciates how >>> direly different ISIS actually is. The armed groups that Powell >>> describes as having accepted negotiated settlements were fundamentally >>> nationalist organizations—even where the group or “nation” on whose behalf >>> they fought was sometimes defined partly in terms of religious >>> identity—with fundamentally political and pragmatic aims. ISIS is >>> instead a radical supra-nationalist group based on a deeply perverted >>> interpretation of Sunni Islam, and it has hugely maximalist goals. >>> >>> Powell’s key example is the Irish Republican Army, which was a Catholic >>> organization insofar as it used Catholic identity for political ends, >>> cultivating a sense of Irish Catholic nationalism to fight for the ejection >>> of the British from Northern Ireland and for political union with their >>> Catholic brethren to the south. But the IRA was not trying to conquer >>> the whole of the British Isles for Catholicism, nor to hasten the return of >>> the Christian messiah and the end of the world. Powell, who was the chief >>> British negotiator in Northern Ireland when the Good Friday Accords helped >>> bring an end to decades of violence in the country, notes that “when we sat >>> down with the Republicans … we found that there were a series of legitimate >>> subjects they wanted to discuss—from power-sharing between Catholics and >>> Protestants to the protection of human rights.” >>> >>> ISIS, by contrast, is not fundamentally nationalist in this way, as >>> Powell implies in his emphasis on the group’s appeals to Sunni identity, >>> whether in Syria or Iraq. Rather, even while individual paths to joining >>> ISIS may vary tremendously, and no doubt do in some cases rest on >>> nationalist Sunni grievances, the leadership of the group has been quite >>> clear about its genuinely held aims, which include the complete domination >>> of Syria, Iraq, and locations far beyond. >>> >>> It’s not the presence of religious identity as such that makes ISIS >>> different. As Powell points out, there have been a number of militant >>> groups in history that have used religion for political goals and were >>> still susceptible to negotiated peace. The Irish Republican Army was one >>> such example, as were various Muslim groups, including the Moro Islamic >>> Liberation Front in the Philippines, which Powell points to as proving that >>> governments have “made peace with Islamic [sic] guerrillas before … so it >>> is not impossible to do.” Religion, or even strong ideology, as in the case >>> of the FMLN in El Salvador, does not make negotiation impossible. >>> Indeed, many, if not most, of the rebel groups currently fighting Bashar >>> al-Assad’s repugnant and brutal regime in Syria are motivated by religious >>> precepts, and instrumentalize religion for political ends. Those groups can >>> and should be negotiated with, and in some cases empowered against Assad >>> and ISIS, even while their interlocutors must continuously interrogate >>> any faults, flaws, or failings they may have. >>> >>> <a href=" >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=defenseone-instream;sz=600x300;"; >>> >>> title="">< img alt="" src=" >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=defenseone-instream;sz=600x300;tile=4;"/>< >>> >>> /a> >>> >>> <a href=" >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-tablet;sz=700x350;"; >>> >>> title="">< img alt="" src=" >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-tablet;sz=700x350;tile=5;"/>< >>> >>> /a> >>> >>> <a href=" >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-mobile;sz=300x150;"; >>> >>> title="">< img alt="" src=" >>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-mobile;sz=300x150;tile=6;"/>< >>> >>> /a> >>> >>> But these other groups, from Ireland to the Philippines to Syria, fought >>> or are fighting for limited political goals, within a defined geographic >>> space—whether those goals were Catholic rights in Northern Ireland, Moro >>> autonomy in the Philippines, or the reformation or end of the Assad regime >>> in Syria. ISIS, however, is not primarily a Sunni Arab uprising aimed >>> at protecting the civil or political rights of Sunni Muslims in Syria or >>> Iraq. ISIS is an outgrowth of a broader uprising. But it is more >>> than that. >>> >>> This is evident, for example, in the context of the Syrian Civil War, >>> where ISIS is one of the major combatants, but is correctly not invited >>> to international negotiations >>> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iran-saudi-arabia-us-syria-217318> >>> aimed >>> at resolving the conflict. On that battlefield, and in contrast to other >>> groups there, ISIS is not just an insurgency working for a specifically >>> Syrian political cause. Its has regional and global ambitions that go far >>> beyond defeating Assad’s army. And unlike the Kurds, whose own regional >>> ambitions extend only to the lands Kurds have historically occupied, >>> ISIS specifically rejects territorial limits to its power: Its very >>> slogan >>> <http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/is-isis-still-remaining-and-expanding> >>> is >>> “remaining and expanding.” >>> >>> The IRA was not trying to conquer the whole of the British Isles for >>> Catholicism, nor to hasten the return of the Christian messiah and the end >>> of the world. >>> >>> An insurgency can end through negotiation and the satisfaction of >>> certain, often predictable, political aims, such as the withdrawal of >>> foreign military forces, or the granting of autonomy. But ISIS does not >>> demand the withdrawal of foreign military forces—quite the contrary, it has >>> expressed the wish to draw foreign armies into its territory >>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/>, >>> >>> and to export its military force beyond Syria and Iraq. It does not call >>> for the simple granting of autonomy to its members and supporters in Syria >>> and Iraq—it works to end the autonomy of others in both places, and far >>> beyond, not least through ethnic cleansing and the worldwide export of >>> wanton violence. If ISIS were willing to be satisfied by, say, a joint >>> Sunni Arab zone in Syria and Iraq, governed under a perverted form of >>> Islamic law, then one could talk about the possibility, if not the >>> laudability, of negotiation. But the point of ISIS is precisely that it >>> cannot be satisfied without forcibly changing the very contours of the >>> current international order. >>> >>> Powell suggests that “even if some of the hardline leaders of ISIS … >>> want nothing less than their full demands (including ushering in the >>> apocalypse), other more moderate leaders will, under military pressure, be >>> prepared to settle for more modest gains.” Negotiations should, in his >>> view, “strengthen those moderates’ positions in ISIS’s internal >>> discussions.” Indeed, it is possible to “peel away” ISIS members, as >>> evidenced by the number of occasions on which ISIS recruits have >>> defected <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28269596> after >>> realizing that the group isn’t all it is cracked up to be. But those >>> “moderate” former members are essentially irrelevant to the group (unless >>> of course they’re targeted for execution); they are not about to influence >>> discussions within ISIS, much less take it over. These defections have >>> in no way pushed the group toward being more palatable to international >>> norms—in fact ISIS’s continued ability to recruit depends in part on >>> the leadership’s very refusal to accept “nothing less than their full >>> demands.” If ISIS remains true to its principles, that’s also the >>> reason the world can accept nothing less than the group’s full defeat. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmazlyODZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NTI2MjIwMDI-> >>> >>> >>> - New Members >>> >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbXZjcTI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDUyNjIyMDAy> >>> >>> 1 >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! Groups] >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlajNvam5qBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQ1MjYyMjAwMg--> >>> >>> • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> >>> • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use >>> <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> >>> >>> __,_._,___ >>> >>> >>> -- >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "PoliticalForum" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PoliticalForum" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
