You don't think the families of all the innocent civilians that will be collateral damage won't become radicalized??? I do believe a nuke is not selective about who it takes out!!!
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:29 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Problem solved! > > > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Really, use nukes and turn the sand to glass!!! >> >> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 6:18 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> If that's the case, (which I don't believe.....*See *the whole concept >>> of "Hijra" then I see no other option other than nuclear......Let's do it >>> and get it over with. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:09 PM, plainolamerican < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Why ISIS Cannot Be Negotiated With >>>> --- >>>> because the damage that warmongering US neocons and zionists have done >>>> to the region are too severe for them to forgive. They would rather see >>>> their heads roll than to negotiate. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 2:05:53 PM UTC-6, Travis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.defenseone.com/threats/2016/01/why-isis-cannot-be-negotiated/125020/ >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Why ISIS Cannot Be Negotiated With >>>>> >>>>> January 11, 2016 By H. A. Hellyer >>>>> <http://www.defenseone.com/voices/h-hellyer/11814/> >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan Powell argues that talking to terrorists has brought peace in >>>>> the past. But the Islamic State really is different. >>>>> >>>>> *In his recent Atlantic *piece >>>>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/12/negotiate-with-isis/419157/> >>>>> on >>>>> “What to Do About ISIS >>>>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/special-report/what-to-do-about-isis/>,” >>>>> Jonathan Powell, a former senior British diplomat, posits that eventually, >>>>> the West would have to negotiate with the so-called Islamic State. It’s a >>>>> comforting thought, in a way—the suggestion presupposes that ISIS, >>>>> just like many other armed organizations throughout history, is the kind >>>>> of >>>>> group that can eventually be reasoned with, however distasteful its >>>>> enemies >>>>> may find the prospect. Noting numerous examples in which governments have >>>>> talked their way to peace with terrorist organizations, Powell >>>>> acknowledges, “of course people argue that ISIS is completely >>>>> different from anything we have seen before. But people have said that >>>>> about each new armed group since the rise of the IRA in 1919.” >>>>> >>>>> If Powell’s historical analogies worked, the struggle against ISIS >>>>> would be a lot simpler. Unfortunately, the analysis underappreciates how >>>>> direly different ISIS actually is. The armed groups that Powell >>>>> describes as having accepted negotiated settlements were fundamentally >>>>> nationalist organizations—even where the group or “nation” on whose behalf >>>>> they fought was sometimes defined partly in terms of religious >>>>> identity—with fundamentally political and pragmatic aims. ISIS is >>>>> instead a radical supra-nationalist group based on a deeply perverted >>>>> interpretation of Sunni Islam, and it has hugely maximalist goals. >>>>> >>>>> Powell’s key example is the Irish Republican Army, which was a >>>>> Catholic organization insofar as it used Catholic identity for political >>>>> ends, cultivating a sense of Irish Catholic nationalism to fight for the >>>>> ejection of the British from Northern Ireland and for political union with >>>>> their Catholic brethren to the south. But the IRA was not trying to >>>>> conquer the whole of the British Isles for Catholicism, nor to hasten the >>>>> return of the Christian messiah and the end of the world. Powell, who was >>>>> the chief British negotiator in Northern Ireland when the Good Friday >>>>> Accords helped bring an end to decades of violence in the country, notes >>>>> that “when we sat down with the Republicans … we found that there were a >>>>> series of legitimate subjects they wanted to discuss—from power-sharing >>>>> between Catholics and Protestants to the protection of human rights.” >>>>> >>>>> ISIS, by contrast, is not fundamentally nationalist in this way, as >>>>> Powell implies in his emphasis on the group’s appeals to Sunni identity, >>>>> whether in Syria or Iraq. Rather, even while individual paths to joining >>>>> ISIS may vary tremendously, and no doubt do in some cases rest on >>>>> nationalist Sunni grievances, the leadership of the group has been quite >>>>> clear about its genuinely held aims, which include the complete domination >>>>> of Syria, Iraq, and locations far beyond. >>>>> >>>>> It’s not the presence of religious identity as such that makes ISIS >>>>> different. As Powell points out, there have been a number of militant >>>>> groups in history that have used religion for political goals and were >>>>> still susceptible to negotiated peace. The Irish Republican Army was one >>>>> such example, as were various Muslim groups, including the Moro Islamic >>>>> Liberation Front in the Philippines, which Powell points to as proving >>>>> that >>>>> governments have “made peace with Islamic [sic] guerrillas before … so it >>>>> is not impossible to do.” Religion, or even strong ideology, as in the >>>>> case >>>>> of the FMLN in El Salvador, does not make negotiation impossible. >>>>> Indeed, many, if not most, of the rebel groups currently fighting Bashar >>>>> al-Assad’s repugnant and brutal regime in Syria are motivated by religious >>>>> precepts, and instrumentalize religion for political ends. Those groups >>>>> can >>>>> and should be negotiated with, and in some cases empowered against Assad >>>>> and ISIS, even while their interlocutors must continuously >>>>> interrogate any faults, flaws, or failings they may have. >>>>> >>>>> <a href=" >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=defenseone-instream;sz=600x300;"; >>>>> title="">< img alt="" src=" >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=defenseone-instream;sz=600x300;tile=4;"/>< >>>>> /a> >>>>> >>>>> <a href=" >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-tablet;sz=700x350;"; >>>>> title="">< img alt="" src=" >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-tablet;sz=700x350;tile=5;"/>< >>>>> /a> >>>>> >>>>> <a href=" >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/jump/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-mobile;sz=300x150;"; >>>>> title="">< img alt="" src=" >>>>> http://ad.doubleclick.net/N617/ad/defenseone.com/section_threats;pos=contextual-large-rectangle-mobile;sz=300x150;tile=6;"/>< >>>>> /a> >>>>> >>>>> But these other groups, from Ireland to the Philippines to Syria, >>>>> fought or are fighting for limited political goals, within a defined >>>>> geographic space—whether those goals were Catholic rights in Northern >>>>> Ireland, Moro autonomy in the Philippines, or the reformation or end of >>>>> the >>>>> Assad regime in Syria. ISIS, however, is not primarily a Sunni Arab >>>>> uprising aimed at protecting the civil or political rights of Sunni >>>>> Muslims >>>>> in Syria or Iraq. ISIS is an outgrowth of a broader uprising. But it >>>>> is more than that. >>>>> >>>>> This is evident, for example, in the context of the Syrian Civil War, >>>>> where ISIS is one of the major combatants, but is correctly not >>>>> invited to international negotiations >>>>> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/iran-saudi-arabia-us-syria-217318> >>>>> aimed >>>>> at resolving the conflict. On that battlefield, and in contrast to other >>>>> groups there, ISIS is not just an insurgency working for a >>>>> specifically Syrian political cause. Its has regional and global ambitions >>>>> that go far beyond defeating Assad’s army. And unlike the Kurds, whose own >>>>> regional ambitions extend only to the lands Kurds have historically >>>>> occupied, ISIS specifically rejects territorial limits to its power: >>>>> Its very slogan >>>>> <http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/is-isis-still-remaining-and-expanding> >>>>> is >>>>> “remaining and expanding.” >>>>> >>>>> The IRA was not trying to conquer the whole of the British Isles for >>>>> Catholicism, nor to hasten the return of the Christian messiah and the end >>>>> of the world. >>>>> >>>>> An insurgency can end through negotiation and the satisfaction of >>>>> certain, often predictable, political aims, such as the withdrawal of >>>>> foreign military forces, or the granting of autonomy. But ISIS does >>>>> not demand the withdrawal of foreign military forces—quite the contrary, >>>>> it >>>>> has expressed the wish to draw foreign armies into its territory >>>>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/>, >>>>> and to export its military force beyond Syria and Iraq. It does not call >>>>> for the simple granting of autonomy to its members and supporters in Syria >>>>> and Iraq—it works to end the autonomy of others in both places, and far >>>>> beyond, not least through ethnic cleansing and the worldwide export of >>>>> wanton violence. If ISIS were willing to be satisfied by, say, a >>>>> joint Sunni Arab zone in Syria and Iraq, governed under a perverted form >>>>> of >>>>> Islamic law, then one could talk about the possibility, if not the >>>>> laudability, of negotiation. But the point of ISIS is precisely that >>>>> it cannot be satisfied without forcibly changing the very contours of the >>>>> current international order. >>>>> >>>>> Powell suggests that “even if some of the hardline leaders of ISIS … >>>>> want nothing less than their full demands (including ushering in the >>>>> apocalypse), other more moderate leaders will, under military pressure, be >>>>> prepared to settle for more modest gains.” Negotiations should, in his >>>>> view, “strengthen those moderates’ positions in ISIS’s internal >>>>> discussions.” Indeed, it is possible to “peel away” ISIS members, as >>>>> evidenced by the number of occasions on which ISIS recruits have >>>>> defected <http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28269596> after >>>>> realizing that the group isn’t all it is cracked up to be. But those >>>>> “moderate” former members are essentially irrelevant to the group (unless >>>>> of course they’re targeted for execution); they are not about to influence >>>>> discussions within ISIS, much less take it over. These defections >>>>> have in no way pushed the group toward being more palatable to >>>>> international norms—in fact ISIS’s continued ability to recruit >>>>> depends in part on the leadership’s very refusal to accept “nothing less >>>>> than their full demands.” If ISIS remains true to its principles, >>>>> that’s also the reason the world can accept nothing less than the group’s >>>>> full defeat. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Visit Your Group >>>>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmazlyODZsBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0NTI2MjIwMDI-> >>>>> >>>>> - New Members >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnbXZjcTI0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDUyNjIyMDAy> >>>>> 1 >>>>> >>>>> [image: Yahoo! 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