NJ is one of the least business friendly states and also the most densely populated. I work in the printing industry, which is slowly dying, but when i moved back to NJ in 1994 there were at least a dozen printers within 10 miles of where I live ... now there's 2!!! The road I take to get to work was full of car dealers (new and used), pretty much one every block, after the meltdown there's maybe 5 left and all those empty lots are still empty nobody opened a business on the locations. My downtown is pretty lucky, no empty storefronts, but my old town totally twisted ... the town from my high school years, the north side is full of empty ..stores but the southside has had a boom and tearing down all the old and making new shops and apartments ... I prefer the older architecture on the north side!!! The local mall is about 1/3 empty!!!
On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 10:31 AM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> wrote: > Sooner or later the high taxes are going to bite them on the ass if it > hasn't already. I'm sure businesses are being driven out by union strangle > holds and the high cost of doing business paying tribute to the state. > Which is now putting the burden onto property owners. > > On Jul 17, 2016 7:41 AM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Good Morning Brine! >> >> I "Get It" with the heat; and no doubt it's something that one must grow >> accustomed to. Having said that, I still believe that during the summer, >> it probably gets hotter in Newark than it does here in Tampa.....(I may be >> exaggerating as far north as New York/New Jersey is) but I know that the >> Carolinas got hotter in the summer than it did down here in Tampa. >> There's two distinctions; in Florida, we have a lot more humidity; so when >> it's hot, it may seem hotter and when it's 50° F it feels like it's 20°! >> >> The other thing, is that in Florida, we have four seasons: "Football >> Season"; "Baseball Season"; we got a little Hockey; and NASCAR Season! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I have no desire to move south, I am happy being close to NYC and >>> Philly. I have a bunch of Family that now live in Florida, I hate the heat >>> ... I do know that if I ever retire, I will have to leave NJ .. but that's >>> a while away!!! >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 8:29 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Go south young man >>>> >>>> On Jul 16, 2016 7:04 PM, "Brian Bednarek" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You are correct ...based on my structure being worth $60K is how I pay >>>>> my property taxes ... NJ is totally twisted as far as property tax goes >>>>> ...there has been a push to reassess property, especially in my county to >>>>> get more money out of us!!! >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 7:39 PM, 'Mustang' via PoliticalForum < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Brine, >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I reading this correctly? Your taxes are based on your $60K house >>>>>> and your actual land property isn't assessed? >>>>>> >>>>>> In CA, property is only reassessed when there are changes - up for an >>>>>> additional room (permits tell the tale) or down when property values >>>>>> (requested reassessment) take a dive. My former Los Angeles house was >>>>>> originally assessed based on $115K purchase price. Taxes totaled around >>>>>> $1400 per year. Ten years later the house was "valued" at $505K. After >>>>>> 20 >>>>>> years, my taxes were only $1800. If it wasn't for Prop 13, I couldn't >>>>>> have >>>>>> kept it if there were reassessed values every few years. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now I live in Riverside county. This small house (and property) was >>>>>> only $145K and my total taxes are $2300/year. That includes about $800 >>>>>> of >>>>>> nickel and dime BS added for mosquito control (3" rain annually), grade >>>>>> schools, flood control (still only 3" rain annually), high schools, >>>>>> roads, >>>>>> colleges, library, and vaguely named items that I don't understand. >>>>>> >>>>>> On a balancing side, our car registration here is based on value. If >>>>>> I remember correctly, NJ was three levels and mine was $15 per year back >>>>>> then. NY registration was based on the weight of the vehicle. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm glad I left Bergen county back in '72! >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To:* "[email protected]" < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:46 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: The Divisiveness Between Our Police and Our Citizens >>>>>> >>>>>> The building is assessed at $60K the land is not part on the NJ >>>>>> property tax deal ... when I bought my house in 1994, taxes were $2.4k >>>>>> the >>>>>> system that funds the school system makes sure that my taxes will ALWAYS >>>>>> go >>>>>> up!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 6:31 PM, geoffrey theist < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is that the market or assessed value? Do you mean $600,000? >>>>>> Because $8,000.00 is over 10%of the value of your house. My god >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 16, 2016 5:18 PM, "Brian Bednarek" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> My taxes are based on the fact that my house is worth $60K ... I am >>>>>> afraid of the day they reassess my taxes!!! My co-worker had to sell his >>>>>> house and find a house in a smaller tax zone after he went up to $14K ... >>>>>> don't forget NJ has close to 600 school districts with various staff and >>>>>> what not making over $100K ... the problem started way before the current >>>>>> Governor!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 1:56 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your property taxes are *only* $8K per year? You'd have to live in a >>>>>> house assessed at $800K to pay that much here. >>>>>> >>>>>> You don't have to convince me that Christie's term as governor there >>>>>> has been disastrous, or that he's a liberal in sheep's clothing. He was >>>>>> the >>>>>> one person who, if named as VP, I'd have likely just left the box for >>>>>> POTUS >>>>>> blank on election day. I really can't stand him. Such a blowhard. >>>>>> >>>>>> I remember in one of the debates (before his horrible poll results >>>>>> knocked him down to the lower tier debate), Carly Fiorina and Donald >>>>>> Trump >>>>>> were touting their records and accomplishments in business (something few >>>>>> Americans knew about either of them). Christie blustered into the >>>>>> conversation, scolding them both with, "for the 55-year-old construction >>>>>> worker out in that audience tonight who doesn't have a job, who can't >>>>>> fund >>>>>> his child's education — I gotta tell you the truth — they could care less >>>>>> about your careers." Then he proceeded to spend more time than anyone on >>>>>> the stage touting his cherry-picked record in NJ over and over again - as >>>>>> if that somehow helps a 55-year old construction worker. >>>>>> >>>>>> He is seriously the most loudmouthed, obnoxious - and of course >>>>>> fat-assed - politician I've ever seen. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 1:18:40 PM UTC-4, brine wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Obama is a democrat, and democrats have opposed giving the poor and >>>>>> minorities in America the choice to send their children to a decent >>>>>> school >>>>>> (instead of the violent, failing one they are forced to attend by the >>>>>> government). It's despicable that democrats continue supporting the >>>>>> self-serving teachers' unions in this country when the evidence of the >>>>>> damage they've done for decades is so apparent. >>>>>> >>>>>> I live in NJ and we have "charter schools" and "Abbot districts" >>>>>> which are in poor sections and they get much more money to teach and it >>>>>> proves that throwing money at the problem isn't the answer ... Johnny >>>>>> still >>>>>> can't read!!! Governor Christie has pissed off a lot of folk with his >>>>>> concept of "fair funding" for school districts ... same money per student >>>>>> in all districts!!! As a person who never had a child and went to >>>>>> Catholic >>>>>> Schools until the 9th grade, I had a better education because of my >>>>>> parents; I am tired of my property taxes being sent to Trenton and not >>>>>> coming back to my town, but going to "poor districts"!!! 75% of my >>>>>> property >>>>>> taxes go to the school system, I am in a town that is fairly affordable, >>>>>> my >>>>>> property taxes are only $8K a year ... NJ has put in the lottery, >>>>>> gambling >>>>>> and raised the sales tax to give us property tax relief and every year my >>>>>> taxes go up ... something ain't right!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Jul 16, 2016 at 10:04 AM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tonight (July 14) Obama will hold a town hall >>>>>> <http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/17026488/president-obama-hold-race-relations-town-hall-espn-abc-thursday> >>>>>> on the topic of race relations, justice, policing and equality. Let’s >>>>>> see >>>>>> if he is truly interested in improving race relations, justice, policing >>>>>> and equality or if he is interested in doubling-down on the status quo. >>>>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> Obama is a democrat, and democrats have opposed giving the poor and >>>>>> minorities in America the choice to send their children to a decent >>>>>> school >>>>>> (instead of the violent, failing one they are forced to attend by the >>>>>> government). It's despicable that democrats continue supporting the >>>>>> self-serving teachers' unions in this country when the evidence of the >>>>>> damage they've done for decades is so apparent. >>>>>> >>>>>> I live in a conservative state where poor and working class kids >>>>>> living in horrible public school districts can obtain a voucher and >>>>>> attend >>>>>> the private school of their choice. The program grows every year and >>>>>> currently has over 32K kids taking advantage of this opportunity. I >>>>>> expect >>>>>> doing so will pay off nicely within a few years. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 7:58:32 AM UTC-4, MJ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thursday, July 14, 2016 >>>>>> >>>>>> *The Divisiveness Between Our Police and Our Citizens *bionic >>>>>> misquito >>>>>> >>>>>> “There are no words to describe the atrocity that occurred to our >>>>>> city. All I know is that this must stop, this divisiveness between our >>>>>> police and our citizens.” >>>>>> -- Dallas >>>>>> <http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/08/485220431/were-hurting-dallas-police-chief-david-brown-says> >>>>>> Police >>>>>> Chief David Brown >>>>>> <http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/08/485220431/were-hurting-dallas-police-chief-david-brown-says>, >>>>>> in the wake of the recent shooting of five police officers and several >>>>>> others >>>>>> >>>>>> Mr. Brown, most (but not all) of the causes behind the divisiveness >>>>>> are due to decisions made by individuals well above your pay grade. >>>>>> >>>>>> I offer a few simple actions that can be taken immediately in both >>>>>> Washington DC and in every state capital around the country – these >>>>>> actions >>>>>> will have immediate beneficial effect toward ending the “divisiveness >>>>>> between our police and our citizens.” >>>>>> >>>>>> 1) Eliminate all laws regarding victimless crimes – including, >>>>>> and especially, drug laws >>>>>> 2) Eliminate minimum wage laws >>>>>> 3) End civil asset forfeiture >>>>>> >>>>>> As soon as these are ended, several benefits will be immediately >>>>>> realized: the number of negative interactions between police and citizens >>>>>> will be overwhelmingly reduced; more fathers will be free of prison, >>>>>> available to tend to their families; low-skilled and unskilled >>>>>> individuals >>>>>> can work legally; police will have far less incentive to stop and search >>>>>> the citizens. >>>>>> >>>>>> I could write more – end the subsidies for fatherless families and >>>>>> end public education, for example. However these are much more complex. >>>>>> The above items can be ended tomorrow without concern. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, that we live in a society where it is legal for >>>>>> government employees to commit crimes >>>>>> <https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/jack-perry/spare-maudlin-theatrics-please/> >>>>>> contributes to this divisiveness. It is also true that residents of >>>>>> high-crime neighborhoods can and should take matters into their own >>>>>> hands >>>>>> <https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/07/walter-e-williams/challenge-black-people/> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>>> But if we don’t want to continue on this certain slide toward >>>>>> ever-more divisiveness, enacting the above-listed items will go a long >>>>>> way. Police and citizens are fighting an uphill and losing battle as >>>>>> long >>>>>> as measures such as the above remain in place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tonight (July 14) Obama will hold a town hall >>>>>> <http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/17026488/president-obama-hold-race-relations-town-hall-espn-abc-thursday> >>>>>> on the topic of race relations, justice, policing and equality. Let’s >>>>>> see >>>>>> if he is truly interested in improving race relations, justice, policing >>>>>> and equality or if he is interested in doubling-down on the status quo. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sadly, I know the answer already. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://bionicmosquito.blogspot.rs/2016/07/the-divisiveness-between-our-police-and.html >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>> <http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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