May I assume you read all the links??? On Nov 19, 11:40 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > jgg, > > MUST I repeat myself? > > On Nov 19, 9:49 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Read the links in Keith In Tampa post... Mike too often finds an > > isolated fact, ignores the other facts and claims truth when in fact > > his is engaged in propaganda... > > > On Nov 18, 7:11 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > jgg, > > > > So, you make no claim that they are NOT indeed facts? > > > Very interesting. > > > > On Nov 17, 3:51 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have many times, you just ignore them... But you use highly > > > > selected facts for an tin foil outcome... > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > aw poor baby did i rain on your parade again ? hey if you can show > > > > > any of the facts in this article are wrong please do so . > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:27 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Mike desperate to exploit "Hate BUSH ALL the time" fanatics, posted > > > > > > another lie by half or less truth... By selectively choosing facts > > > > > > that fit the assumption Mike has once again proved that any thesis > > > > > > can > > > > > > be proven true if your side controls which facts are permissible... > > > > > > > It is rumored that Mike's new book will conclusively prove the Moon > > > > > > is > > > > > > made of green cheese and that Wisconsin dairy farmer lobbyists have > > > > > > paid off governmental watch dogs in order to inflate the price of > > > > > > green cheese.. This vast RW conspiracy according to Mike is just > > > > > > another example of the neo-cons seeking to control the world... > > > > > > > Sources tell this reporter that Mike is said to have claim ed > > > > > > "Hitler > > > > > > and Stalin were geniuses at half truth lies, so I follow their > > > > > > expert > > > > > > advise"... Mike refused to comment about how he learned his spin > > > > > > craft... > > > > > > >http://www.mikesfoghorn.com > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:44 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq > > > > > > > http://www.truthout.org/111608C > > > > > > > Washington - Last April, top George W. Bush administration > > > > > > > officials, > > > > > > > desperate to exploit any possible crack in the close relationship > > > > > > > between the Nouri al-Maliki government and Iran, launched a new > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > of charges that Iran had stepped up covert arms assistance to > > > > > > > Shi'a > > > > > > > militias. > > > > > > > > Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates suggested that there was > > > > > > > "some sense of an increased level of [Iranian] supply of weapons > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > support to these groups." And Washington Post reporter Karen > > > > > > > DeYoung > > > > > > > was told by military officials that the "plentiful, high quality > > > > > > > weaponry" the militia was then using in Basra was "recently > > > > > > > manufactured in Iran". > > > > > > > > But a U.S. military task force had been passing on data to the > > > > > > > Multi-National Force Iraq (MNFI) command that told a very > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > story. The data collected by the task force in the previous six > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > showed that relatively few of the weapons found in Shi'a militia > > > > > > > caches were manufactured in Iran. > > > > > > > > According to the data compiled by the task force, and made > > > > > > > available to an academic research project last July, only 70 > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > believed to have been manufactured in Iran had been found in post- > > > > > > > invasion weapons caches between mid-February and the second week > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > April. And those weapons represented only 17 percent of the > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > found in caches that had any Iranian weapons in them during that > > > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > The actual proportion of Iranian-made weapons to total weapons > > > > > > > found, however, was significantly lower than that, because the > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > force was finding many more weapons caches in Shi'a areas that did > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > have any Iranian weapons in them. > > > > > > > > The task force database identified 98 caches over the > > > > > > > five-month > > > > > > > period with at least one Iranian weapon, excluding caches > > > > > > > believed to > > > > > > > have been hidden prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion. > > > > > > > > But according to an e-mail from the MNFI press desk this week, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > task force found and analysed a total of roughly 4,600 weapons > > > > > > > caches > > > > > > > during that same period. > > > > > > > > The caches that included Iranian weapons thus represented > > > > > > > just 2 > > > > > > > percent of all caches found. That means Iranian-made weapons were > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > fraction of one percent of the total weapons found in Shi'a > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > caches during that period. > > > > > > > > The extremely small proportion of Iranian arms in Shi'a > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > weapons caches further suggests that Shi'a militia fighters in > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > had been getting weapons from local and international arms markets > > > > > > > rather than from an official Iranian-sponsored smuggling network. > > > > > > > > The database was compiled by MNFI's Task Force Troy, which was > > > > > > > directed to examine all weapons caches found in Iraq beginning in > > > > > > > early January 2008 to identify Iranian-made weapons. The database > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > released by MNFI last July to the Empirical Studies of Conflict > > > > > > > project, co-sponsored by the U.S. Military Academy and Princeton > > > > > > > University, and was published for the first time by West Point's > > > > > > > Counter-Terrorism Centre last month as an appendix to a paper on > > > > > > > Iranian strategy in Iraq by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman. > > > > > > > > In late April, the U.S. presented the Maliki government with a > > > > > > > document that apparently listed various Iranian arms found in Iraq > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > highlighted alleged Iranian arms found in Basra. But the U.S. > > > > > > > campaign > > > > > > > to convince Iraqi officials collapsed when Task Force Troy > > > > > > > analysed a > > > > > > > series of large weapons caches uncovered in Basra and Karbala in > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > and May. > > > > > > > > Caches of arms found in Karbala late last April and May > > > > > > > totaled > > > > > > > more than 2,500 weapons, and caches in Basra included at least > > > > > > > 3,700 > > > > > > > weapons, according to official MNFI statements. That brought the > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > number of weapons found in those former Mahdi Army strongholds to > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > than 6,200 weapons. > > > > > > > > But the task force found that none of those weapons were > > > > > > > Iranian- > > > > > > > made. The database lists three caches found Apr. 19, but provides > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > data on any of them. It lists no other caches for the region > > > > > > > coinciding with that period, confirming that no weapons had been > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > to be of Iranian origin. > > > > > > > > In announcing the weapons totals discovered in Basra to > > > > > > > reporters > > > > > > > on May 7, Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner said nothing about the > > > > > > > provenance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > the weapons, implicitly admitting that they were not Iranian-made. > > > > > > > > Only two months before the new high-level propaganda push on > > > > > > > alleged Iranian weapons supply to Shi'a militias, the U.S. command > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > put out a story suggesting that large numbers of Iranian-supplied > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > had been buried all over the country. On Feb. 17, 2008, U.S. > > > > > > > military > > > > > > > spokesman Rear Admiral Gregory Smith told reporters that Iraqi and > > > > > > > coalition forces had captured 212 weapons caches across Iraq over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > previous week "with growing links to the Iranian-backed special > > > > > > > groups". > > > > > > > > The Task Force Troy data for the week of Feb. 9-16 show, > > > > > > > however, > > > > > > > that the U.S. command had information on Iranian arms > > > > > > > contradicting > > > > > > > that propaganda line. According to the task force database, only > > > > > > > five > > > > > > > of those 212 caches contained any Iranian weapons that analysts > > > > > > > believed might have been buried after the U.S. invasion. And the > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > number of confirmed Iranian-made weapons found in those five > > > > > > > caches, > > > > > > > according to the data, was eight, not including four Iranian-made > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > grenades. > > > > > > > > The task force database includes 350 armour-piercing > > > > > > > explosively > > > > > > > formed penetrators (EFPs) found in Iraqi weapons caches. However, > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > database does not identify any of the EFPs as Iranian weapons. > > > > > > > > That treatment of EFPs in the caches appears to contradict > > > > > > > claims > > > > > > > by U.S. officials throughout 2007 and much of 2008 that EFPs were > > > > > > > being smuggled into Iraq by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps. > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > allegedly Iranian-manufactured EFPs had been the centrepiece of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > U.S. military's February 2007 briefing charging Iran with arming > > > > > > > Shi'a > > > > > > > militiamen in Iraq. > > > > > > > > Press reports of a series of discoveries of shops for > > > > > > > manufacturing EFPs in Iraq in 2007 forced the U.S. command to > > > > > > > admit > > > > > > > that the capacity to manufacture EFPs was not limited to Iran. By > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > second half of 2008, U.S. officials had stopped referring to > > > > > > > Iranian > > > > > > > supply of EFPs altogether. > > > > > > > > Felter and Fishman do not analyse the task force data in their > > > > > > > paper, but they criticise official U.S. statements on Iranian > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > in Iraq. "Some reports erroneously attribute munitions similar to > > > > > > > those produced in Iran as > > ... > > read more ยป --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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