jgg, Obviously a weapon made by any country's munitions industry and part of their military arsenal is NOT an IED. Do you wish to talk about IED's or do you wish to talk about the Iranian munitions industry?
On Nov 19, 10:52 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > May I assume you read all the links??? > > On Nov 19, 11:40 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > MUST I repeat myself? > > > On Nov 19, 9:49 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Read the links in Keith In Tampa post... Mike too often finds an > > > isolated fact, ignores the other facts and claims truth when in fact > > > his is engaged in propaganda... > > > > On Nov 18, 7:11 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > jgg, > > > > > So, you make no claim that they are NOT indeed facts? > > > > Very interesting. > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:51 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I have many times, you just ignore them... But you use highly > > > > > selected facts for an tin foil outcome... > > > > > > On Nov 17, 3:59 pm, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > aw poor baby did i rain on your parade again ? hey if you can show > > > > > > any of the facts in this article are wrong please do so . > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 12:27 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Mike desperate to exploit "Hate BUSH ALL the time" fanatics, > > > > > > > posted > > > > > > > another lie by half or less truth... By selectively choosing > > > > > > > facts > > > > > > > that fit the assumption Mike has once again proved that any > > > > > > > thesis can > > > > > > > be proven true if your side controls which facts are > > > > > > > permissible... > > > > > > > > It is rumored that Mike's new book will conclusively prove the > > > > > > > Moon is > > > > > > > made of green cheese and that Wisconsin dairy farmer lobbyists > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > paid off governmental watch dogs in order to inflate the price of > > > > > > > green cheese.. This vast RW conspiracy according to Mike is just > > > > > > > another example of the neo-cons seeking to control the world... > > > > > > > > Sources tell this reporter that Mike is said to have claim ed > > > > > > > "Hitler > > > > > > > and Stalin were geniuses at half truth lies, so I follow their > > > > > > > expert > > > > > > > advise"... Mike refused to comment about how he learned his spin > > > > > > > craft... > > > > > > > >http://www.mikesfoghorn.com > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 6:44 am, "mike [move on] 532" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq > > > > > > > > http://www.truthout.org/111608C > > > > > > > > Washington - Last April, top George W. Bush administration > > > > > > > > officials, > > > > > > > > desperate to exploit any possible crack in the close > > > > > > > > relationship > > > > > > > > between the Nouri al-Maliki government and Iran, launched a new > > > > > > > > round > > > > > > > > of charges that Iran had stepped up covert arms assistance to > > > > > > > > Shi'a > > > > > > > > militias. > > > > > > > > > Secretary of Defence Robert M. Gates suggested that there > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > "some sense of an increased level of [Iranian] supply of > > > > > > > > weapons and > > > > > > > > support to these groups." And Washington Post reporter Karen > > > > > > > > DeYoung > > > > > > > > was told by military officials that the "plentiful, high quality > > > > > > > > weaponry" the militia was then using in Basra was "recently > > > > > > > > manufactured in Iran". > > > > > > > > > But a U.S. military task force had been passing on data to > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Multi-National Force Iraq (MNFI) command that told a very > > > > > > > > different > > > > > > > > story. The data collected by the task force in the previous six > > > > > > > > weeks > > > > > > > > showed that relatively few of the weapons found in Shi'a militia > > > > > > > > caches were manufactured in Iran. > > > > > > > > > According to the data compiled by the task force, and made > > > > > > > > available to an academic research project last July, only 70 > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > believed to have been manufactured in Iran had been found in > > > > > > > > post- > > > > > > > > invasion weapons caches between mid-February and the second > > > > > > > > week in > > > > > > > > April. And those weapons represented only 17 percent of the > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > found in caches that had any Iranian weapons in them during that > > > > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > The actual proportion of Iranian-made weapons to total > > > > > > > > weapons > > > > > > > > found, however, was significantly lower than that, because the > > > > > > > > task > > > > > > > > force was finding many more weapons caches in Shi'a areas that > > > > > > > > did > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > have any Iranian weapons in them. > > > > > > > > > The task force database identified 98 caches over the > > > > > > > > five-month > > > > > > > > period with at least one Iranian weapon, excluding caches > > > > > > > > believed to > > > > > > > > have been hidden prior to the 2003 U.S. invasion. > > > > > > > > > But according to an e-mail from the MNFI press desk this > > > > > > > > week, > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > task force found and analysed a total of roughly 4,600 weapons > > > > > > > > caches > > > > > > > > during that same period. > > > > > > > > > The caches that included Iranian weapons thus represented > > > > > > > > just 2 > > > > > > > > percent of all caches found. That means Iranian-made weapons > > > > > > > > were a > > > > > > > > fraction of one percent of the total weapons found in Shi'a > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > caches during that period. > > > > > > > > > The extremely small proportion of Iranian arms in Shi'a > > > > > > > > militia > > > > > > > > weapons caches further suggests that Shi'a militia fighters in > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > had been getting weapons from local and international arms > > > > > > > > markets > > > > > > > > rather than from an official Iranian-sponsored smuggling > > > > > > > > network. > > > > > > > > > The database was compiled by MNFI's Task Force Troy, which > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > directed to examine all weapons caches found in Iraq beginning > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > early January 2008 to identify Iranian-made weapons. The > > > > > > > > database was > > > > > > > > released by MNFI last July to the Empirical Studies of Conflict > > > > > > > > project, co-sponsored by the U.S. Military Academy and Princeton > > > > > > > > University, and was published for the first time by West Point's > > > > > > > > Counter-Terrorism Centre last month as an appendix to a paper on > > > > > > > > Iranian strategy in Iraq by Joseph Felter and Brian Fishman. > > > > > > > > > In late April, the U.S. presented the Maliki government > > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > document that apparently listed various Iranian arms found in > > > > > > > > Iraq > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > highlighted alleged Iranian arms found in Basra. But the U.S. > > > > > > > > campaign > > > > > > > > to convince Iraqi officials collapsed when Task Force Troy > > > > > > > > analysed a > > > > > > > > series of large weapons caches uncovered in Basra and Karbala in > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > and May. > > > > > > > > > Caches of arms found in Karbala late last April and May > > > > > > > > totaled > > > > > > > > more than 2,500 weapons, and caches in Basra included at least > > > > > > > > 3,700 > > > > > > > > weapons, according to official MNFI statements. That brought the > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > number of weapons found in those former Mahdi Army strongholds > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > than 6,200 weapons. > > > > > > > > > But the task force found that none of those weapons were > > > > > > > > Iranian- > > > > > > > > made. The database lists three caches found Apr. 19, but > > > > > > > > provides no > > > > > > > > data on any of them. It lists no other caches for the region > > > > > > > > coinciding with that period, confirming that no weapons had been > > > > > > > > found > > > > > > > > to be of Iranian origin. > > > > > > > > > In announcing the weapons totals discovered in Basra to > > > > > > > > reporters > > > > > > > > on May 7, Maj. Gen. Kevin Bergner said nothing about the > > > > > > > > provenance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > the weapons, implicitly admitting that they were not > > > > > > > > Iranian-made. > > > > > > > > > Only two months before the new high-level propaganda push on > > > > > > > > alleged Iranian weapons supply to Shi'a militias, the U.S. > > > > > > > > command > > > > > > > > had > > > > > > > > put out a story suggesting that large numbers of > > > > > > > > Iranian-supplied > > > > > > > > arms > > > > > > > > had been buried all over the country. On Feb. 17, 2008, U.S. > > > > > > > > military > > > > > > > > spokesman Rear Admiral Gregory Smith told reporters that Iraqi > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > coalition forces had captured 212 weapons caches across Iraq > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > previous week "with growing links to the Iranian-backed special > > > > > > > > groups". > > > > > > > > > The Task Force Troy data for the week of Feb. 9-16 show, > > > > > > > > however, > > > > > > > > that the U.S. command had information on Iranian arms > > > > > > > > contradicting > > > > > > > > that propaganda line. According to the task force database, > > > > > > > > only five > > > > > > > > of those 212 caches contained any Iranian weapons that analysts > > > > > > > > believed might have been buried after the U.S. invasion. And the > > > > > > > > total > > > > > > > > number of confirmed Iranian-made weapons found in those five > > > > > > > > caches, > > > > > > > > according to the data, was eight, not including four > > > > > > > > Iranian-made > > > > > > > > hand > > > > > > > > grenades. > > > > > > > > > The task force database includes 350 armour-piercing > > > > > > > > explosively > > > > > > > > formed penetrators (EFPs) found in Iraqi weapons caches. > > > > > > > > However, the > > > > > > > > database does not identify any of the EFPs as Iranian weapons. > > > > > > > > > That treatment of EFPs in the caches appears to contradict > > > > > > > > claims > > > > > > > > by U.S. officials throughout 2007 and much of 2008 that EFPs > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > being smuggled into Iraq by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard > > > > > > > > Corps. > > > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > allegedly Iranian-manufactured EFPs had been the centrepiece of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > U.S. military's February 2007 briefing charging Iran with arming > > > > > > > > Shi'a > > > > > > > > militiamen in Iraq. > > > > > > > > > Press reports of a series of discoveries of shops for > > > > > > > > manufacturing EFPs in Iraq in 2007 forced the U.S. command to > > > > > > > > admit > > > > > > > > that the capacity to manufacture EFPs was not limited to Iran. > > > > > > > > By the > > > > > > > > second half of 2008, U.S. officials had > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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