No, I am not. It is common knowledge that a COLB suc as Obama has is a form of ID, it does not prove he was born anywhere, just that the birth was registered there.
#201 (permalink) 11-29-2008, 09:49 AM Gaar Analyst Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Everett, WA Age: 47 Posts: 2,788 Credits: 16,175 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by justabubba really? please show us where you found that factual information which was shared for all to accept Hawaii admits it themself... http://www.freedomszone.com/aggregator.php?id=50175 ...Under Hawaiian law, it is possible (both legally and illegally) for a person to have been born out of state, yet have a birth certificate on file in the Department of Health.A. From Hawaii's official Department of Health, Vital Records webpage: "Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country" (applies to adopted children). B. A parent may register an in-state birth in lieu of certification by a hospital of birth under HRS 338-5.C. Hawaiian law expressly provides for registration of out-of-state births under HRS 338-17.8. A foreign birth presumably would have been recorded by the American consular of the country of birth, and presumably that would be reflected on the Hawaiian birth certificate.D. Hawaiian law, however, expressly acknowledges that its system is subject to error. See, for example, HRS 338-17.E. Hawaiian law expressly provides for verification in lieu of certified copy of a birth certificate under HRS 338-14.3.F. Even the Hawaii Department of Home Lands does not accept a certified copy of a birth certificate as conclusive evidence for its homestead program. From its web site: "In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL."2. Contrary to what you may have read, no document made available to the public, nor any statement by Hawaiian officials, evidences conclusively that Obama was born in Hawaii On 12/18/08, Florida Cracker 532 <[email protected]> wrote: > > i think you are mistaken about that > > On Dec 18, 10:54 am, "fred frederico" <[email protected]> wrote: > > They have yet to rule on the certificate. It does NOT meet the standard IN > > Hawaii for state assistance, Just the vault copy does. for all the hoopla no > > none in the Hawaiin Gov. has said or confirmed anything except that one > > exists. > > > > On 12/18/08, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there any evidence to suggest he was born on a ship? > > > Once again, the state of Hawaii has a birth certificate on record. If > > > it's good enough to satisfy the Supreme Court, it's good enough for > > > me. > > > > > On Dec 18, 9:15 am, margareth <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Keep in mind that at one time Hawaii was once a British colony. There > > > > are probably plenty of people with British/Anzac,/colonial accents > > > > still there. But here is another red hering for you, would it be > > > > possible that he was born on a ship of American registry, and would > > > > that have made him an American born. In 1960, there were still > > > > relatively cheap ocean liners which carried passengers across the > > > > oceans. Hawaii was an important port of call. As a rule, a ship in > > > > international waters follows the laws of the country of registry. An > > > > American mother, who lived in a country as unsettled as Kenya was then > > > > would almost certainly opt for going home, if at all possible, just to > > > > make certain of her child's nationality. > > > > > > On Dec 18, 3:20 am, Florida Cracker 532 <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > where in the world did you the idea that this guy talked likea he came > > > > > from England ? > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 11:09 pm, "fred frederico" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Waikiki was just about big enough to call a village in the 60s. They > > > would > > > > > > all remember a British accent African with a white woman. I support > > > Obama, I > > > > > > support open honesty more and he has not touched this easily > > > solved issue. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:04 PM, wncs <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Depends on how cosmopolitan the area is. You'll get different > > > answers > > > > > > > in Quitman, GA than you would in NYC. > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 10:41 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Oh ??? Ask around in ANY neighborhood you choose... even today > > > and > > > > > > > > find out how many British accent Africans (NOT African > > > > > > > > Americans, > > > he > > > > > > > > was not one) have ever lived next door. I am quite sure you will > > > get > > > > > > > > DEFINITE answers one way or the other. > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2:26 pm, Florida Cracker 532 <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > " quite the unusual combo in that time " > > > > > > > > > i don't believe that was true of hawaii > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 11:58 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike. > > > > > > > > > > > > What difference does that make to a reference about > > > remembering a > > > > > > > > > > mixed race couple in the 60s regardless of where you lived > > > > > > > > > > in > > > the > > > > > > > > > > States. Further, i gather from the "witnesses" or neighbors > > > name that > > > > > > > > > > she is native and for sure would remember the Haole and > > > Colored > > > > > > > > > > man.... quite the unusual combo in that time. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 9:03 am, Florida Cracker 532 < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > how long did you live in Hawaii ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 10:00 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WNCS, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would certainly remember a mixed race couple in the > > > 60's, and > > > > > > > so > > > > > > > > > > > > would anyone I have ever met from the states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I can name every neighbor within a mile of me > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > the 60s > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > the States and within 1/2 a mile from Germany wih > > > absolute > > > > > > > certainty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 5:59 am, wncs <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, they are basing their investigation on the fact > > > that some > > > > > > > old lady > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't remember the family? LMAO! Can you name every > > > single > > > > > > > family > > > > > > > > > > > > > you were living next to in 1961? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Brace yourselves, Dems, we're going to hear this > > > bellyaching > > > > > > > for eight > > > > > > > > > > > > > years, it seems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 17, 6:33 am, mark <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A private investigator has released to WND an > > > affidavit that > > > > > > > casts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doubt on whether Barack Obama's family lived at the > > > address > > > > > > > listed in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the published notice of his birth in 1961. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jorge Baro was hired by WND to investigate issues > > > related to > > > > > > > Obama's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth amid allegations the Democrat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not meet the Constitution's requirement that a > > > president > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "natural born citizen." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro's affidavit documents an interview his staff > > > conducted > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Beatrice Arakaki, who has lived at 6075 Kalanianaole > > > Highway > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Honolulu since before Obama was born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The affadivit is at the center of a federal lawsuit > > > filed > > > > > > > prior to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > November election in Hattiesburg, Miss., before U.S. > > > District > > > > > > > Judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keith Starrett. The suit is one of several yet to be > > > > > > > adjudicated that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > calls for proof of Obama being a "natural born > > > citizen" as > > > > > > > required by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the Constitution. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In Hawaii, WND was able to locate at the Honolulu > > > public > > > > > > > library > > > > > > > > > > > > > > microfilm of a notice placed in the Sunday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Advertiser > > > Aug. > > > > > > > 13, 1961. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The announcement in the "Births, Marriages, Death" > > > section > > > > > > > read: "Mr. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., > > > son, Aug. > > > > > > > 4." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arakaki told Baro's investigators she had no > > > recollection of > > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > being born or of the family living next door having > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > > black > > > > > > > child born > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to a white mother. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro sent a team of investigators to Honolulu to > > > explore > > > > > > > records > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regarding current residents of Kalanianaole Highway > > > and to > > > > > > > track down > > > > > > > > > > > > > > residents back to 1961. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro's investigators were unable to locate any > > > current or > > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resident of Kalanianaole Highway who could recall > > > Obama or > > > > > > > his family > > > > > > > > > > > > > > living at the address listed in the Sunday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Advertiser > > > > > > > announcement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro also sent investigators to the newspaper > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offices > > > to > > > > > > > examine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > files, but the Advertiser could not confirm who > > > actually > > > > > > > placed the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ad. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Baro's affidavit, Beatrice Arakaki > > > affirmed she > > > > > > > was a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her > > > current > > > > > > > residence > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the > > > present. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, Arakaki said she believed that when Obama > > > lived > > > > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dunhams, his grandparents, the family address was in > > > Waikiki, > > > > > > > not on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kalanianaole Highway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro was able to determine the previous owners of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > residence at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 6085 Kalanianaole Highway – the alleged address of > > > Obama's > > > > > > > parents > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when he was born – were Orland S. and Thelma S. > > > (Young) > > > > > > > Lefforge, both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of whom are deceased. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro's affidavit also documents that the > > > Certification of > > > > > > > Live Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that Obama posted on his campaign website is not the > > > original > > > > > > > "long > > > > > > > > > > > > > > form" birth certificate issued in 1961 by the > > > obstetrician or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > physician giving birth and the hospital where the > > > baby was > > > > > > > born. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Baro's investigators learned that a "Certificate of > > > Hawaiian > > > > > > > Birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Program" established in 1911 during the territorial > > > era and > > > > > > > terminated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in 1972 during the statehood era allowed Hawaiian > > > residents > > > > > > > to apply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a "Late Birth Certificate," called a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Certificate > > > of > > > > > > > Hawaiian > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Birth," which appears identical to the "birth > > > certificate" > > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > > > > > > > > > posted on his campaign website. > > > > >http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=83851-Hidequot... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Mark M. 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