You are so wrong. No other country has so blatantly and unilaterally resigned its legal positions within that body while screaming foul (including the former USSR).
The example set would indeed be the example followed. None of the little "blocks" have the power to do anything without the collusion of the permanant members and it is the US that leads the way in broken treaties and persuit of unilateral self interest in that corps. Again I ask, when is your dead beat country going to pay a legally obligated debt to Nicaragua ?? When are they going to stop playing military politics with countries that do not and could threaten your shores or direct commerce ?? You have created your own problems and image then cry like babies when a new version of the OAS is formed and you are invited to stay out of it. There is now a defence treaty (somewhat like NATO, covering all of the Americas) and the US was denied membership and told their services were neither wanted or needed. Where is that on your MSM or even your self-riteous blogs from either side. As time goes on you will find that the US is not becoming isolationist, but isolated. Proof of this is showing up in refusals of what once were routine extradition requests for civil and even some felonious crimes... they are being refused off-hand with other nations quoting the US in their replies... "it is not in, nor does it serve, our purposes." You are starting to gain/reap that crop of bad seed. It has only just begun. You are right in one regard, the language of diplomacy is indeed at times foggy and just like the manager of any disco if you want to know whats happening on the dance floor.... turn off YOUR machine first. Others are much better and work with far greater patience than your "NOW, I want it NOW" society. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > The non functionality of the UN is in its DNA... Any action requires > no veto from 5 countries... Add to that the group think "don't blame > me" blocks of Arabs, Africans, of Tyrant-run countries -- that > Zimbabwe and African refusal to enforce human rights there... > > Now I am sure the US does have some measure of blame... Now when > Sudan who is actively engaging in genocide, is elected unanimously to > the Human Rights Commission because of the voting blocks more > interested in power than human rights, something is very wrong... > And that is not caused by the US or lack of the American example, but > by actions by small greedy states who care nothing or little about > human rights... Or take the sex for food scandals in the many "peace > keeping missions"... Little is done to enforce ethical conduct > there... > > The UN is NOT capable of governing internationally, period... It is > a tool to be used for PR on controversial issues the conflict with > powerful nation-states interests... Blocks of lessor states use the > UN in a similar fashion... So do not moan about the American lack of > leadership here... The UN has all too often used the US military as > a beat cop and then demand the right to trash the beat cop... > > The UN just got pissed off when Bush told them that THEY WERE > IRRELEVANT when it came to issues like rouge states as Saddam was or > Zimbabwe is... Which of course they are when any national interest of > the Big Five are involved... That is outside a public forum to > posture... > > On Dec 29, 3:16 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> It is indeed non-functional when the US continues to ignore it and >> leads by that example. You claim to be a super power...... i say your >> governments actions are super slime. They act no better than a second >> rate used car salesman and then have the gall to ask why people don't >> like them...(just like the used car salesman). >> >> Just read an article in the Nica Times that says they figure they only >> have 6000 more land mines to remove........ guess who put them there. >> >> Guess whos has dropped out of every treaty they have signed within the >> UN when they felt it rubbed them the wrong way...... Gee, there is NO >> WAY a decision by the US could be wrong, now is there ?? >> >> When will your dead-beat country pay the fine levied by the world >> court in the 80's for illegally laying those mines and mining the >> Managua Harbor ?? Want to visit the Killing fields there... I'd be >> happy to take you around so you can see what your pride has done and a >> memory as long as your collective manhood lasts. >> >> After you visit the killing fields we'll talk about directness of >> language and your inability to read anything but US English and >> understand translated language. >> >> You do not even BEGIN to have a clue. >> >> On 12/29/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> > One stain of the UN is the scandal and corruption in the Oil for Food >> > program... The almost total lack of honesty and transparency... Or >> > the foolish Human Rights body who can only find abuse in Israel but >> > not in a Zimbabwe, Syria, Iran, or Venezuela... Likewise the >> > ideological bias at the UN always has being telling... It always has >> > been sad to see otherwise good people to use their talents to justify >> > a non functional body and their jobs... >> >> > I will still suggest language is a multipurpose tool, especially >> > diplomatic language -- to clarify, to confuse, to talk just plain old >> > talk BS, or to provide a CYA account for opposing sides... Still >> > that you spent your working life there explains a great deal about >> > your confused set of facts and ideology... >> >> > On Dec 26, 6:04 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > my response was for Mike and it did NOT inciminate. I do, indeed feel >> > > sorry for you. >> >> > > You tell ME I don't know how to read documents and attach the correct >> > > meaning to the languge used in/by international diplomatic >> > > groups...... >> >> > > It is hilarious... I worked for that body (UN) for 27 years (retired >> > > in Oct.) and read/wrote more reports/documents than have have even >> > > seen in your life. You ARE funny. They record every conversation in >> > > the chamber for just that reason.... meaning is always reverted to the >> > > oral explanation when one is formally given as all things do not >> > > translate. The quotes ARE empiracal in this matter... >> >> > > PLEASE do some homework before trying to stick someone with US style >> > > foreign policy understanding. US policy has NO permanent successes in >> > > the last 50 years because of its' "me first" attitude that even the >> > > least of you (that would be you) exhibits. >> >> > > On 12/26/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > Is a mistype now to be seen as a racial slur??? We are >> > > > sensitive... Now if I had engaged in mindless name calling in >> > > > posting before, you might have a point... As I don't and have not, >> > > > perhaps this is another case of implication on your part which is not >> > > > supported by facts... >> >> > > > Now my mother raised me to not just assume the worse in folks... The >> > > > shame, if any is to be had, is on you for LOOKING for racial slurs or >> > > > insults where none were to be had... You see, I assume we all are >> > > > fallible and liable to error and mis-assumption... So to offset that >> > > > very human trait, I overlook and forgive others for small stuff >> > > > because I know in time I will be the one who mistypes and is >> > > > uncivil... >> >> > > > I also understand that on the political stage of trash talk, that >> > > > position is not favored -- what is favored is an active looking for >> > > > insult or slur wither one is intended or not... >> >> > > > So I apologize if my typo made you assume it was a slur... I can see >> > > > how it could be... Please look into your HUMAN and acknowledge your >> > > > own human fallibility in finding guilt where there is none... This >> > > > reminds me of the Scarlett Letter and the good projecting Rev... >> >> > > > On Dec 26, 4:25 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > It's ok by me Mike. Judaism is passed Maternally. It is indeed my >> > > > > mothers side of the family that is Jewish. Racial slurs are spread >> > > > > only by those that have fear of those being slurred. >> >> > > > > Check ANY racist... the bottom line for his attitude is always fear. >> >> > > > > I feel sorry for jgg... nothing more, my mother raised me better, >> > > > > obviously his did not. >> >> > > > > If, however it is against the rules (or not)... Shame on you JGG, and >> > > > > I really mean that. >> >> > > > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, mike [never forget] 532 >> >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > > be careful JGG i think that might be against the board rules . you >> > > > > > might want to check with WNCS to be sure . >> >> > > > > > On Dec 26, 1:52 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> Your are welcome Kike >> >> > > > > >> On Dec 26, 12:48 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > Thanks LEW >> >> > > > > >> > On 12/26/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > No it was NOT... >> >> > > > > >> > > On Dec 26, 9:58 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > You fail to address the point once again Lew. >> >> > > > > >> > > > Was the unilateral US action in concert with the UN or not >> > > > > >> > > > ?? >> >> > > > > >> > > > It is a simple question. >> >> > > > > >> > > > On another level I ask; How can I be a liberal loon or >> > > > > >> > > > qualify for a >> > > > > >> > > > US political title when I do not live there ?? >> >> > > > > >> > > > On 12/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear UnAnnointed: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > You, too, are a Liberal Loon. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > On Dec 26, 9:29 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE >> > > > > >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > I did not realize that the invasion of Iraq had >> > > > > >> > > > > > anything to do with >> > > > > >> > > > > > the UN. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:12 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > > > > >> > > > > > wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Mike: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Oh. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Then, here is why we went into Iraq: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > The IRAQ invasion was L-E-G-AL and J-U-S-T-I-F-I-E-D. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Did you ever wonder why Saddam was a allowed to >> > > > > >> > > > > > > remain as president of >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Iraq after he got clobbered by the U.S. in the 1991 >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Gulf War? >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Think he may have agreed to some surrender terms to >> > > > > >> > > > > > > allow him to stay >> > > > > >> > > > > > > in power? >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Think he ever fulfilled those surrender terms?? >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Read UN Resolution # 687. Saddam was given 15 days-- >> > > > > >> > > > > > > from April 3 >> > > > > >> > > > > > > until April 18, 1991 to fulfill the terms of his >> > > > > >> > > > > > > surrender. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > By April of 2003 - 4,390 days AFTER his deadline, he >> > > > > >> > > > > > > still had not met >> > > > > >> > > > > > > the terms of his surrender. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Ever wonder why U.S. planes were over-flying Iraq all >> > > > > >> > > > > > > the years >> > > > > >> > > > > > > between 1991 and 2003, putting our pilots in danger? >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > P.S.: Read UN Resolution # 687 of April 3, 1991 >> > > > > >> > > > > > > THEN Read UN >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Resolution 1440 of the Fall of 2002 - which state >> > > > > >> > > > > > > that Saddam still >> > > > > >> > > > > > > had not fulfilled Resolution #687. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > Do think you would be legally allowed to remain >> > > > > >> > > > > > > living in your house >> > > > > >> > > > > > > for 12 years (4,390 days) without ever making a >> > > > > >> > > > > > > mortgage payment - if >> > > > > >> > > > > > > you owed a mortgage??? >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:53 am, "mike [never forget] 532" >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > i didn't say anything about needing it i said bush >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > invaded to gain >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > control of the Iraqi oil fields ! >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:49 am, "[email protected]" >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Mikey: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > We don't need Iraqi oil. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Drill off our continental shelf. The fish don't >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > mind and we own it. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Drill in ANWR. The caribou love it and we own it. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Why in the heck woul;d we want to go to Iraq for >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > oil??? and we don't >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > own it and they are a bunch of nuts. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:32 am, "mike [never forget] 532" >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lew as hard as it is for you to understand it >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > was bush who ordered the >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > troops to Iraq in order to take control of the >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > oil fields . Not >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Obama ! >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:20 am, "[email protected]" >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Obama didn't bother them anyone on the >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > battlefield . >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > He only went a couple of times and voted >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > against the military every >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > chance he got. >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Obama voted for "U.S. Death," and >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > "Humiliating" U.S. losses. >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Dec 26, 8:01 am, margareth >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder how much of the war effort is >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > required for the frequent trips >> >> ... >> >> read more ยป > > > -- Mark M. 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