You shout typical but false leftie slogans. Now as a super power America many times acts as just that, a super power... And if you want to see the best example of "American Imperialism" just look at Latin America... Where America differs, is that it ALSO acts quite differently from super powers of old... Since the 1890's, look at its history... Hawaii and Alaska were made states, Puerto Rico allowed to choose independence, statehood, or commonwealth, the Philippines given independence and when they ask us to leave we did, taking in 10's of millions refugee and immigrants and making them full citizens, rebuilding Europe, Japan, S. Korea after WWII to become economic rivals, doing the same for China in the 1980's and 1990's, saw the Russian empire collapse and millions given freedom, belatedly help Mexico become a democracy... Mighty deeds you ignore...
The US is not a perfect super power... It never was, nor will it be... But when compared to the empires of old - the British, then French, the Russian, the Chinese. the Moslem empires, and all the rest for thousands of years, America does more to reduce oppression and material need even at the cost to its own self interest... The UN however is more like the failed Congresses of 18th Century Europe (long term)... While they worked for a generation, they were designed to main a oppressive status quo -- a current example is African refusal to address the issue of Zimbabwe... Or the genocide in the Congo, Sudan, or East Africa... If one looks at South America, consider Chavez, and his support for Colombian rebels tied to the drug trade (not unlike the Taliban and Paki tribal areas... Or consider the UN refugee camps in Lebanon... When the Lebanon Army went in to rid Lebanon of the thugs in the camp, what was found??? One the UN really did not run the camp, it willingly turned control over to armed militias, and 2) the actual number of people in the camp was 20% lower than the UN had in its roles (thus 20% of all relief budgets for decades were really political pay offs to local thugs)... Replacing one oppressor with another is not freedom... The UN does do some things well (far better than the US could)... But governing or seeking to act as judge and jury on international conflict is not one... Again I understand the NEED of many to justify themselves by tossing eggs at the US... It helps them to ignore the obvious sins of themselves and of their friends while allowing for a sense of morality... On Dec 29, 6:21 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > You are so wrong. No other country has so blatantly and unilaterally > resigned its legal positions within that body while screaming foul > (including the former USSR). > > The example set would indeed be the example followed. None of the > little "blocks" have the power to do anything without the collusion of > the permanant members and it is the US that leads the way in broken > treaties and persuit of unilateral self interest in that corps. > > Again I ask, when is your dead beat country going to pay a legally > obligated debt to Nicaragua ?? > > When are they going to stop playing military politics with countries > that do not and could threaten your shores or direct commerce ?? > > You have created your own problems and image then cry like babies when > a new version of the OAS is formed and you are invited to stay out of > it. There is now a defence treaty (somewhat like NATO, covering all of > the Americas) and the US was denied membership and told their services > were neither wanted or needed. > > Where is that on your MSM or even your self-riteous blogs from either > side. As time goes on you will find that the US is not becoming > isolationist, but isolated. > > Proof of this is showing up in refusals of what once were routine > extradition requests for civil and even some felonious crimes... they > are being refused off-hand with other nations quoting the US in their > replies... "it is not in, nor does it serve, our purposes." > > You are starting to gain/reap that crop of bad seed. It has only just begun. > > You are right in one regard, the language of diplomacy is indeed at > times foggy and just like the manager of any disco if you want to know > whats happening on the dance floor.... turn off YOUR machine first. > Others are much better and work with far greater patience than your > "NOW, I want it NOW" society. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The non functionality of the UN is in its DNA... Any action requires > > no veto from 5 countries... Add to that the group think "don't blame > > me" blocks of Arabs, Africans, of Tyrant-run countries -- that > > Zimbabwe and African refusal to enforce human rights there... > > > Now I am sure the US does have some measure of blame... Now when > > Sudan who is actively engaging in genocide, is elected unanimously to > > the Human Rights Commission because of the voting blocks more > > interested in power than human rights, something is very wrong... > > And that is not caused by the US or lack of the American example, but > > by actions by small greedy states who care nothing or little about > > human rights... Or take the sex for food scandals in the many "peace > > keeping missions"... Little is done to enforce ethical conduct > > there... > > > The UN is NOT capable of governing internationally, period... It is > > a tool to be used for PR on controversial issues the conflict with > > powerful nation-states interests... Blocks of lessor states use the > > UN in a similar fashion... So do not moan about the American lack of > > leadership here... The UN has all too often used the US military as > > a beat cop and then demand the right to trash the beat cop... > > > The UN just got pissed off when Bush told them that THEY WERE > > IRRELEVANT when it came to issues like rouge states as Saddam was or > > Zimbabwe is... Which of course they are when any national interest of > > the Big Five are involved... That is outside a public forum to > > posture... > > > On Dec 29, 3:16 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is indeed non-functional when the US continues to ignore it and > >> leads by that example. You claim to be a super power...... i say your > >> governments actions are super slime. They act no better than a second > >> rate used car salesman and then have the gall to ask why people don't > >> like them...(just like the used car salesman). > > >> Just read an article in the Nica Times that says they figure they only > >> have 6000 more land mines to remove........ guess who put them there. > > >> Guess whos has dropped out of every treaty they have signed within the > >> UN when they felt it rubbed them the wrong way...... Gee, there is NO > >> WAY a decision by the US could be wrong, now is there ?? > > >> When will your dead-beat country pay the fine levied by the world > >> court in the 80's for illegally laying those mines and mining the > >> Managua Harbor ?? Want to visit the Killing fields there... I'd be > >> happy to take you around so you can see what your pride has done and a > >> memory as long as your collective manhood lasts. > > >> After you visit the killing fields we'll talk about directness of > >> language and your inability to read anything but US English and > >> understand translated language. > > >> You do not even BEGIN to have a clue. > > >> On 12/29/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > One stain of the UN is the scandal and corruption in the Oil for Food > >> > program... The almost total lack of honesty and transparency... Or > >> > the foolish Human Rights body who can only find abuse in Israel but > >> > not in a Zimbabwe, Syria, Iran, or Venezuela... Likewise the > >> > ideological bias at the UN always has being telling... It always has > >> > been sad to see otherwise good people to use their talents to justify > >> > a non functional body and their jobs... > > >> > I will still suggest language is a multipurpose tool, especially > >> > diplomatic language -- to clarify, to confuse, to talk just plain old > >> > talk BS, or to provide a CYA account for opposing sides... Still > >> > that you spent your working life there explains a great deal about > >> > your confused set of facts and ideology... > > >> > On Dec 26, 6:04 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > my response was for Mike and it did NOT inciminate. I do, indeed feel > >> > > sorry for you. > > >> > > You tell ME I don't know how to read documents and attach the correct > >> > > meaning to the languge used in/by international diplomatic > >> > > groups...... > > >> > > It is hilarious... I worked for that body (UN) for 27 years (retired > >> > > in Oct.) and read/wrote more reports/documents than have have even > >> > > seen in your life. You ARE funny. They record every conversation in > >> > > the chamber for just that reason.... meaning is always reverted to the > >> > > oral explanation when one is formally given as all things do not > >> > > translate. The quotes ARE empiracal in this matter... > > >> > > PLEASE do some homework before trying to stick someone with US style > >> > > foreign policy understanding. US policy has NO permanent successes in > >> > > the last 50 years because of its' "me first" attitude that even the > >> > > least of you (that would be you) exhibits. > > >> > > On 12/26/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Is a mistype now to be seen as a racial slur??? We are > >> > > > sensitive... Now if I had engaged in mindless name calling in > >> > > > posting before, you might have a point... As I don't and have not, > >> > > > perhaps this is another case of implication on your part which is not > >> > > > supported by facts... > > >> > > > Now my mother raised me to not just assume the worse in folks... > >> > > > The > >> > > > shame, if any is to be had, is on you for LOOKING for racial slurs or > >> > > > insults where none were to be had... You see, I assume we all are > >> > > > fallible and liable to error and mis-assumption... So to offset > >> > > > that > >> > > > very human trait, I overlook and forgive others for small stuff > >> > > > because I know in time I will be the one who mistypes and is > >> > > > uncivil... > > >> > > > I also understand that on the political stage of trash talk, that > >> > > > position is not favored -- what is favored is an active looking for > >> > > > insult or slur wither one is intended or not... > > >> > > > So I apologize if my typo made you assume it was a slur... I can see > >> > > > how it could be... Please look into your HUMAN and acknowledge your > >> > > > own human fallibility in finding guilt where there is none... This > >> > > > reminds me of the Scarlett Letter and the good projecting Rev... > > >> > > > On Dec 26, 4:25 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > It's ok by me Mike. Judaism is passed Maternally. It is indeed my > >> > > > > mothers side of the family that is Jewish. Racial slurs are spread > >> > > > > only by those that have fear of those being slurred. > > >> > > > > Check ANY racist... the bottom line for his attitude is always > >> > > > > fear. > > >> > > > > I feel sorry for jgg... nothing more, my mother raised me better, > >> > > > > obviously his did not. > > >> > > > > If, however it is against the rules (or not)... Shame on you JGG, > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > I really mean that. > > >> > > > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, mike [never forget] 532 > > >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > be careful JGG i think that might be against the board rules . > >> > > > > > you > >> > > > > > might want to check with WNCS to be sure . > > >> > > > > > On Dec 26, 1:52 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> Your are welcome Kike > > >> > > > > >> On Dec 26, 12:48 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks LEW > > >> > > > > >> > On 12/26/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > No it was NOT... > > >> > > > > >> > > On Dec 26, 9:58 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > You fail to address the point once again Lew. > > >> > > > > >> > > > Was the unilateral US action in concert with the UN or > >> > > > > >> > > > not ?? > > >> > > > > >> > > > It is a simple question. > > >> > > > > >> > > > On another level I ask; How can I be a liberal loon or > >> > > > > >> > > > qualify for a > >> > > > > >> > > > US political title when I do not live there ?? > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 12/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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