how far behind are we in our UN dues now ? On Dec 29, 6:21 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > You are so wrong. No other country has so blatantly and unilaterally > resigned its legal positions within that body while screaming foul > (including the former USSR). > > The example set would indeed be the example followed. None of the > little "blocks" have the power to do anything without the collusion of > the permanant members and it is the US that leads the way in broken > treaties and persuit of unilateral self interest in that corps. > > Again I ask, when is your dead beat country going to pay a legally > obligated debt to Nicaragua ?? > > When are they going to stop playing military politics with countries > that do not and could threaten your shores or direct commerce ?? > > You have created your own problems and image then cry like babies when > a new version of the OAS is formed and you are invited to stay out of > it. There is now a defence treaty (somewhat like NATO, covering all of > the Americas) and the US was denied membership and told their services > were neither wanted or needed. > > Where is that on your MSM or even your self-riteous blogs from either > side. As time goes on you will find that the US is not becoming > isolationist, but isolated. > > Proof of this is showing up in refusals of what once were routine > extradition requests for civil and even some felonious crimes... they > are being refused off-hand with other nations quoting the US in their > replies... "it is not in, nor does it serve, our purposes." > > You are starting to gain/reap that crop of bad seed. It has only just begun. > > You are right in one regard, the language of diplomacy is indeed at > times foggy and just like the manager of any disco if you want to know > whats happening on the dance floor.... turn off YOUR machine first. > Others are much better and work with far greater patience than your > "NOW, I want it NOW" society. > > > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:28 PM, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The non functionality of the UN is in its DNA... Any action requires > > no veto from 5 countries... Add to that the group think "don't blame > > me" blocks of Arabs, Africans, of Tyrant-run countries -- that > > Zimbabwe and African refusal to enforce human rights there... > > > Now I am sure the US does have some measure of blame... Now when > > Sudan who is actively engaging in genocide, is elected unanimously to > > the Human Rights Commission because of the voting blocks more > > interested in power than human rights, something is very wrong... > > And that is not caused by the US or lack of the American example, but > > by actions by small greedy states who care nothing or little about > > human rights... Or take the sex for food scandals in the many "peace > > keeping missions"... Little is done to enforce ethical conduct > > there... > > > The UN is NOT capable of governing internationally, period... It is > > a tool to be used for PR on controversial issues the conflict with > > powerful nation-states interests... Blocks of lessor states use the > > UN in a similar fashion... So do not moan about the American lack of > > leadership here... The UN has all too often used the US military as > > a beat cop and then demand the right to trash the beat cop... > > > The UN just got pissed off when Bush told them that THEY WERE > > IRRELEVANT when it came to issues like rouge states as Saddam was or > > Zimbabwe is... Which of course they are when any national interest of > > the Big Five are involved... That is outside a public forum to > > posture... > > > On Dec 29, 3:16 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It is indeed non-functional when the US continues to ignore it and > >> leads by that example. You claim to be a super power...... i say your > >> governments actions are super slime. They act no better than a second > >> rate used car salesman and then have the gall to ask why people don't > >> like them...(just like the used car salesman). > > >> Just read an article in the Nica Times that says they figure they only > >> have 6000 more land mines to remove........ guess who put them there. > > >> Guess whos has dropped out of every treaty they have signed within the > >> UN when they felt it rubbed them the wrong way...... Gee, there is NO > >> WAY a decision by the US could be wrong, now is there ?? > > >> When will your dead-beat country pay the fine levied by the world > >> court in the 80's for illegally laying those mines and mining the > >> Managua Harbor ?? Want to visit the Killing fields there... I'd be > >> happy to take you around so you can see what your pride has done and a > >> memory as long as your collective manhood lasts. > > >> After you visit the killing fields we'll talk about directness of > >> language and your inability to read anything but US English and > >> understand translated language. > > >> You do not even BEGIN to have a clue. > > >> On 12/29/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > One stain of the UN is the scandal and corruption in the Oil for Food > >> > program... The almost total lack of honesty and transparency... Or > >> > the foolish Human Rights body who can only find abuse in Israel but > >> > not in a Zimbabwe, Syria, Iran, or Venezuela... Likewise the > >> > ideological bias at the UN always has being telling... It always has > >> > been sad to see otherwise good people to use their talents to justify > >> > a non functional body and their jobs... > > >> > I will still suggest language is a multipurpose tool, especially > >> > diplomatic language -- to clarify, to confuse, to talk just plain old > >> > talk BS, or to provide a CYA account for opposing sides... Still > >> > that you spent your working life there explains a great deal about > >> > your confused set of facts and ideology... > > >> > On Dec 26, 6:04 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > my response was for Mike and it did NOT inciminate. I do, indeed feel > >> > > sorry for you. > > >> > > You tell ME I don't know how to read documents and attach the correct > >> > > meaning to the languge used in/by international diplomatic > >> > > groups...... > > >> > > It is hilarious... I worked for that body (UN) for 27 years (retired > >> > > in Oct.) and read/wrote more reports/documents than have have even > >> > > seen in your life. You ARE funny. They record every conversation in > >> > > the chamber for just that reason.... meaning is always reverted to the > >> > > oral explanation when one is formally given as all things do not > >> > > translate. The quotes ARE empiracal in this matter... > > >> > > PLEASE do some homework before trying to stick someone with US style > >> > > foreign policy understanding. US policy has NO permanent successes in > >> > > the last 50 years because of its' "me first" attitude that even the > >> > > least of you (that would be you) exhibits. > > >> > > On 12/26/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > Is a mistype now to be seen as a racial slur??? We are > >> > > > sensitive... Now if I had engaged in mindless name calling in > >> > > > posting before, you might have a point... As I don't and have not, > >> > > > perhaps this is another case of implication on your part which is not > >> > > > supported by facts... > > >> > > > Now my mother raised me to not just assume the worse in folks... > >> > > > The > >> > > > shame, if any is to be had, is on you for LOOKING for racial slurs or > >> > > > insults where none were to be had... You see, I assume we all are > >> > > > fallible and liable to error and mis-assumption... So to offset > >> > > > that > >> > > > very human trait, I overlook and forgive others for small stuff > >> > > > because I know in time I will be the one who mistypes and is > >> > > > uncivil... > > >> > > > I also understand that on the political stage of trash talk, that > >> > > > position is not favored -- what is favored is an active looking for > >> > > > insult or slur wither one is intended or not... > > >> > > > So I apologize if my typo made you assume it was a slur... I can see > >> > > > how it could be... Please look into your HUMAN and acknowledge your > >> > > > own human fallibility in finding guilt where there is none... This > >> > > > reminds me of the Scarlett Letter and the good projecting Rev... > > >> > > > On Dec 26, 4:25 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > It's ok by me Mike. Judaism is passed Maternally. It is indeed my > >> > > > > mothers side of the family that is Jewish. Racial slurs are spread > >> > > > > only by those that have fear of those being slurred. > > >> > > > > Check ANY racist... the bottom line for his attitude is always > >> > > > > fear. > > >> > > > > I feel sorry for jgg... nothing more, my mother raised me better, > >> > > > > obviously his did not. > > >> > > > > If, however it is against the rules (or not)... Shame on you JGG, > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > I really mean that. > > >> > > > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 1:30 PM, mike [never forget] 532 > > >> > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > > be careful JGG i think that might be against the board rules . > >> > > > > > you > >> > > > > > might want to check with WNCS to be sure . > > >> > > > > > On Dec 26, 1:52 pm, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> Your are welcome Kike > > >> > > > > >> On Dec 26, 12:48 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > Thanks LEW > > >> > > > > >> > On 12/26/08, jgg1000a <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > No it was NOT... > > >> > > > > >> > > On Dec 26, 9:58 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > You fail to address the point once again Lew. > > >> > > > > >> > > > Was the unilateral US action in concert with the UN or > >> > > > > >> > > > not ?? > > >> > > > > >> > > > It is a simple question. > > >> > > > > >> > > > On another level I ask; How can I be a liberal loon or > >> > > > > >> > > > qualify for a > >> > > > > >> > > > US political title when I do not live there ?? > > >> > > > > >> > > > On 12/26/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Dear > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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