Touche' On Jun 9, 8:03 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Since there are NO corporations in Central America they are "Sociedad > Anonomas" or Anonymous Societies. The intention is exactly as written. No > one knows who has what with one unless the S.A. releases the information.... > Your statement is precluded by law and its very intent. I own some twenty > S.A. s, there is NO WAY you can find them through me or me through them > unless I sign to release that information. Stocks and ownership are > transacted in a "Book of Acts" (ACTAS) this book is held privately and is > the only source for actual info on who has what, if anything. These > Books are NOT subject to subpoena here in CR, or in Nicaragua as they are > considered "private". > > Your statement that Ortega siezed "Nicaraguan Corporations" is correct as > there is no other type in Nicragua. As to who owned them or had the > majority interest... there is NO WAY you or anyone else can claim he siezed > "Nica" owned businesses unless you have a copy of the last page in the book > and look at signatures. Transactions are NOT registered otherwise. > > Try again... I have yet to spin though your sources are severely lacking in > accuracy. > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > And this is the reason that twenty five years ago, Ortega went in and > > seized these Nicaraguan businesses that you claim he loved? I didn't think > > anyone could legitimately argue that Ortega could be considered the same > > brand of Lenninist/Marxist/Communist that he was twenty five years ago, but > > damned if you haven't made that attempt!!! (LOL!!) > > > Come on Mark, you're resembling a top!!! (Spinning!!!) > > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> Lip service to get the "Perros de mi espalda" (to make the dogs stop > >> barking. His policies are not changed, nor are his positions. Further, in a > >> coalition, multi-party system that opens voting and running to everylittle > >> group in the land 40% is considered a mandate.... check the Angela Merckel > >> election in Germany.... csu/cdu and the defeat of the spd and schroeder. > >> Now > >> THAT was close, yet the world called it a mandate for change. > > >> Ortega was always a proponant of NICARAGUAN business... not those > >> completely owned foreign concerns with a Nica titular head as is normal for > >> US industry. > > >> Do try again. > > >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Keith In Tampa > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>> Once again Mark......Spin. > > >>> Ortega has been defeated three or four times in elections, and only won > >>> the election this past time with a very narrow margin, and my no means a > >>> majority. My recollection without googling the election was that Ortega > >>> and > >>> his faction of Sandanistas had less than forty percent of the vote. > > >>> More importantly, Ortega has totally renounced his heavy handed > >>> Marxist/Leninist/Communist platforms from the late 1970s and early 1980s, > >>> now purportedly being a strong proponent of business. > > >>> My, how times have changed.....Ortega has now adopted the Reagan policies > >>> that he fought so hard against. > > >>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Nicaragua says it has spent 9.7 million ......... all from the OAS. > >>>> Ortegas politics and policies still have not changed... As far as a > >>>> supposed > >>>> split by the Ortega faction of the government.... he did not split, he > >>>> followed through then as he does now with his policies of an extreme > >>>> socialist bend.... so what !!!!!!!!!!!! He was just as elected and > >>>> Nicaragua > >>>> is just as sovereign as the US despite their supposed "regional > >>>> protection > >>>> plans" to which no one is a signatory accept the US. Unilateral policies > >>>> did > >>>> not work then (another post wwii loss) and they do not work now. > > >>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Keith In Tampa > >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: > > >>>>> Mark, > > >>>>> As stated, I openly admit that our foreign policy has been > >>>>> inconsistent, and we have made some mistakes. I concede that. Where I > >>>>> differ, and where I believe you are overlooking a major point, was that > >>>>> Ortega's brand of Sandanistas were communist, at the height of the cold > >>>>> war, > >>>>> when the Truman Doctrine was in place, and when Ronald Reagan vowed to > >>>>> end > >>>>> it, as well as "The Evil Empire". Ortega caused a split within the > >>>>> Sandanistas, of which the United States was funding and agreeable to > >>>>> supporting in the overthrow of Somoza. Many tend to forget this > >>>>> chapter. > > >>>>> The United States as committed over 500 million dollars to the removal > >>>>> of landmines within the region, so once again, (and I say this with > >>>>> humor!!!) you are "slightly spinning" when you suggest that the OAS and > >>>>> all > >>>>> American Nation-States are funding the removal of these landmines!! > > >>>>> To lay all of the blame at Ronald Reagan's feet is misplaced, unfair, > >>>>> and not at all a true and accurate reflection of history!! > > >>>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>> Marxist/Leninist huh ?? So what.... How about Democratically elected > >>>>>> President of what was a peaceful nation prior to US "intervention" ?? > > >>>>>> A nation that had the same right as yours to speak with anyone they so > >>>>>> cose. > > >>>>>> No spin yet. > > >>>>>> As to the landmines.... HOW MANY YEARS and inadvertant innocent deaths > >>>>>> later ?? How many ICJ crimes against humanity convictions and fines > >>>>>> later ?? > >>>>>> and still six thousand to go.. > > >>>>>> Oh, they don't count. Reagan withdrew from that courts oversight just > >>>>>> as he was convicted.... > > >>>>>> still no spin.... > > >>>>>> Were there political differences between the parties in Nicaragua ?? > >>>>>> Then and now, absolutely... How does that vary from those in your > >>>>>> nation ?? > > >>>>>> 135,000 land mines that all say "made in USA". I can guarantee you > >>>>>> that the Sandanistas did not pay for those.. Plus, with no spin... > >>>>>> those > >>>>>> laid by the sandanistas were in the border area with Honduras blocking > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> ingress of US backed rebels (Contras) the locations were mapped and > >>>>>> removal > >>>>>> accomplished easily. As to funding for the removal...that is from the > >>>>>> OAS, > >>>>>> NOT the USA, though the USA did contribute to the fund just as did > >>>>>> every > >>>>>> other American nation. The un mapped and therefore the most dangerous > >>>>>> mines > >>>>>> and still looked for were laid by the USA backed Contras..... Please > >>>>>> try to > >>>>>> get it right... > > >>>>>> still no spin........ > > >>>>>> Over 40,000 were killed in the Contra-Sandanista conflict.... there > >>>>>> was no "Contra" without US backing at Reagans personal behest. > > >>>>>> As to the heroin produced in Afghanistan today.... you tell me where > >>>>>> they got the seed... another failed longterm plan that has > >>>>>> backfired.... > >>>>>> Yes, I blame Reagan and his team for every junky in the US that bangs > >>>>>> a load > >>>>>> of Afghan white and all the crime that results and all the medical > >>>>>> bills > >>>>>> that result.... He planted it. > > >>>>>> As far as my intense dislike for Reagan.... it is equal with my > >>>>>> dislike for another USA hero Felix Rodriguez, that personally led the > >>>>>> Contras.... I am German.... I was assigned as an observer in Nicaragua > >>>>>> during the conflict... I saw with my own eyes and was informed by > >>>>>> Felix the > >>>>>> Ferret personally as to what was USA policy. > > >>>>>> As to Carters policy.....try again. > >>>>>> The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan Interview with Zbigniew > >>>>>> Brzezinski, > >>>>>> President Jimmy Carter's National Security Adviser > > >>>>>> Le Nouvel Observateur, Paris, 15-21 January 1998 > >>>>>> Posted at globalresearch.ca <http://www.globalresearch.ca/> 15 > >>>>>> October 2001 > > >>>>>> ------------------------------ > > >>>>>> Question: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his > >>>>>> memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services > >>>>>> began to > >>>>>> aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet > >>>>>> intervention. > >>>>>> In this period you were the national security adviser to President > >>>>>> Carter. > >>>>>> You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct? > > >>>>>> Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid > >>>>>> to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet > >>>>>> army > >>>>>> invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded > >>>>>> until > >>>>>> now, is completely otherwise Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President > >>>>>> Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the > >>>>>> president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was > >>>>>> going > >>>>>> to induce a Soviet military intervention. > > >>>>>> Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But > >>>>>> perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to > >>>>>> provoke it? > > >>>>>> B: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but > >>>>>> we knowingly increased the probability that they would. > > >>>>>> Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that > >>>>>> they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United > >>>>>> States in > >>>>>> Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there was a basis of > >>>>>> truth. You don't regret anything today? > > >>>>>> B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had > >>>>>> the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want > >>>>>> me to > >>>>>> regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I > >>>>>> wrote > >>>>>> to President > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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