Mark, Who is spinning here? (Answer: You Are My Friend!!!)
Daniel Ortega is a professed and admitted Marxist/Leninist. Ortega caused a split in the FLSN, "Sandanista Movement back in the late 1970s because of his insistence of leading the Sandanistas, (which at one time had the support of the American government to overthrow Somoza!!!) Former Sandanista Alfonso Callejas and later to be President (also US supported) Sandanista Violeta Chamorro broke off from Ortega and his militant communist buddy, Sergio Mercado in 1979/1980 because of their communist/Lenninist leanings!! Do you want to retract the claim you have made about President Reagan being responsible for the landmines now, or do you want me to embarass you by printing the facts with the documentation here in this thread, as to who is responsible for the predominance of laying those landmines?? Either way, it is now the United States government who has financed the removal of ALL OF THE LANDMINES in Nicaragua, (some 135,000 laid by the Sandanistas!!!) Let me know if you want to retract your inaccurate misleading statements, or if you would prefer that I go ahead and document what it is that I am talking about!! In the same vein, what, how and where are you getting that President Reagan is responsible for 40,000 dead Americans? Do you attribute all heroin users to President Reagan? Geez, talk about a stretch!! If this is the case, why can't we attribute them to President Carter? He was funding the same fields as President Reagan, (again, do you want me to produce the documentation, or do you want to retract your statements??) I am surprised, you are usually quite astute, and pretty much on the mark with historical facts, but you are way off course on this matter, which again, is surprising considering that you are living in the region!! I sense that there is some deep hatred for Reagan on your part, that is unjustified, and clearly, what you wrote above is just flat out inaccurate!! The predominance of the landmines was laid by the Nicarquan Army, your hero, On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > NO ?? How many dead for no reason do we need ?? > > Further, that was not part of the issue. > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:22 PM, bruce majors <[email protected]>wrote: > >> You haven't made your case that interventions in Latin America are of the >> same order of magnitude as those in Iraq and Afghanistan >> >> I would suggest you redo your homework for partial credit tomorrow >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gee Bruce there were so many unmapped landmines planted they are still >>> actively removing them with an estimated 6000 more to go..... >>> >>> These countries had NO terrorist groups (Reagan planted, funded and >>> trained them). Yet the USA butchered tens of thousands. >>> >>> These countries had Democratically elected governments and peaceful >>> sucession of power, Yet the USA planted land mines. >>> >>> These countries had no more of a direct tie or dealings with the USSR >>> than the USA. Yet you blockaded their harbors and sank their ships. >>> >>> Compare that with moving men from Afghanistan (a necessary war) to Iraq >>> to remove WMDs that never were, to destroy a nuclear program that wasn't, to >>> relieve them of bio-chemical weapons that ddn't exist. >>> >>> Yeah silly........... and extremely STUPID. >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 4:09 PM, bruce majors <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> you remain silly >>>> >>>> to compare whatever Reagan did in some Latin American countries to Iraq, >>>> Pakistan, Afghanistan is silly >>>> >>>> your bond rating just sank >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Bruce, >>>>> >>>>> I agree that the US policy under Reagan was "silly". There are many >>>>> other words I could use but putting Alzheimer Ronnie on a pedestal and >>>>> ignoring the deaths of innocents while trying to reconcile it with "He had >>>>> to follow a Democrats (Truman) Doctrine" is indeed silly. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:59 PM, bruce majors <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> silly >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What kind of "domestic state" do you envision the United States to >>>>>>>> be in? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With regard to "reading some history"....I am quite familiar with >>>>>>>> the United States's foreign policy in South and Central America during >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> only the 1980s, but our policy for the last two hundred years. >>>>>>>> Clearly, >>>>>>>> there have been some mistakes, as well as some rather grand >>>>>>>> achievements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some mistakes ??? Those "mistakes" make 9/11 look like a church >>>>>>> picnic and Reagan and his policies were DIRECTLY responsible. No not >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> "downstream" unforseeable side or after effect... but tens of thousands >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> corpses lying in streets and jungles. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next to his little forays into Central America EVERYTHING AQ has done >>>>>>> so far is not even clos to Reagans intentional devastaion in three >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> American nations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To suggest that President Reagan made some kind of serious faux pas >>>>>>> in South America, in particular Nicaragua, is revisionist spin. >>>>>>> President >>>>>>> Reagan campaigned, and had the overwhelming majority of Americans' >>>>>>> support >>>>>>> in combatting the spread of communism in the region, which was in fact, >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> continuation of the Truman Doctrine! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Typical BS spin.... there were and are not any "commies" in Central >>>>>>> America. Not one country here has ever had its electoral process >>>>>>> overseen, >>>>>>> can you say the same ?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Further, the same people holding office in the eighties have been >>>>>>> re-elected yet again.. Ortega is President of Nicaragua, Arias is >>>>>>> President >>>>>>> of Costa Rica ...... funny but now ..... with the same elected parties >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> platforms these two countries are the USA favorite retirement and >>>>>>> investment >>>>>>> areas........... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Like I said........... things here haven't changed... just the BS >>>>>>> spewing from the US mind and mouth. How right could he have been ?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You seem to forget the melancholy that our Nation suffered after >>>>>>> four years of Jimma, the debacle in Iran, and the expansionist Soviet >>>>>>> Union's policies during the same era. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 40 thousand dead Americans (indescriminate as to man woman or child) >>>>>>> are sorry your feelings were damaged.... I KNOW.... they made you do >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> With all due respect, maybe it is you that need to go back and >>>>>>>> refresh your memory of the era, and what actually took place in this >>>>>>>> Nation, >>>>>>>> as well as in the region that you reference!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does what took place within your borders have to do with your >>>>>>> populaces ignorant fear of that which is not ?? So if things are rough >>>>>>> elsewhere they can aleviate their worries by sending a death sqad or >>>>>>> two to >>>>>>> the USA and expect your understanding. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I should feel safer knowing that the Heroin addict is doing the >>>>>>> Reagan crops juice. You should feel good about all the crime and >>>>>>> medical/jail bills you pay for are because the US was "uncomfortable" >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> had NO long range plan or sight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Keith >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Hollywood < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some people have apparantly never heard of Central AMERICA or South >>>>>>>>> AMERICA. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 11:47 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > Views and revisionist visions like that are EXACTLY why the USA >>>>>>>>> is in the >>>>>>>>> > domestic state it is and the disrespect of the world that it >>>>>>>>> presently >>>>>>>>> > suffers. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > I do believe you should read some history about the dark side and >>>>>>>>> misdeeds >>>>>>>>> > of of Alzheimer Ronnie. He did in fact approve the gfunding for >>>>>>>>> bin Laden >>>>>>>>> > and his group, he did in fact pay (with your tax dollars) for the >>>>>>>>> poppy seed >>>>>>>>> > that is AQs' major source of funding, he did in Fact wage war >>>>>>>>> against an >>>>>>>>> > American Democracy and mine the harbors and lands of American >>>>>>>>> nations... he >>>>>>>>> > did fund murder squads, he did >>>>>>>>> ................................... >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Really great guy there. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Keith In Tampa < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > Mark, Mark, Mark! >>>>>>>>> > > that >>>>>>>>> > > Ronald Reagan is the greatest American President in our >>>>>>>>> lifetime; Ronald >>>>>>>>> > > Reagan was definitely the greatest American President in the >>>>>>>>> 20th Century, >>>>>>>>> > > period. President Reagan didn't train bin Laden, but if you >>>>>>>>> want to go with >>>>>>>>> > > this train of thought, blame Truman and the Truman Doctrine, >>>>>>>>> which was the >>>>>>>>> > > purpose of the United States aiding the Mujahadeen during the >>>>>>>>> early 1980s. >>>>>>>>> > > President Reagan had absolutely nothing to do with al Queida, >>>>>>>>> since al >>>>>>>>> > > Queida wasn't formed until the mid to late 1990s. (You >>>>>>>>> totally lost me >>>>>>>>> > > with the "killing more Americans than anyone since WWII) >>>>>>>>> Landmines? Why do >>>>>>>>> > > you point to President Reagan? Why not every President since >>>>>>>>> Lincoln? >>>>>>>>> > > (Lincoln had no problem using land mines against his own people >>>>>>>>> here in the >>>>>>>>> > > Southeastern United States!! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > YES!! I MISS RONALD REAGAN!! AMERICA MISSES RONALD REAGAN!!! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:57 PM, THE ANNOINTED ONE < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]>wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> Alzheimer Ronnie... the man responsible for training bin >>>>>>>>> laden, >>>>>>>>> > >> responsible for the funding of AQ (his poppy seeds are still >>>>>>>>> > >> producing), responsible for arming Iraq, and for killing more >>>>>>>>> > >> Americans than anyone since WWII. They are still dying from >>>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>>> > >> landmines laid on American soil. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> Yep.... The hero for idiots. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> On Jun 7, 8:44 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >> > Cold, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > Exactly what i said. he was the master of the one-liner that >>>>>>>>> sounded >>>>>>>>> > >> > great and could mean pretty much anything or nothing at all. >>>>>>>>> His >>>>>>>>> > >> > saving grace was that he had the sense to generally pick >>>>>>>>> good advisors >>>>>>>>> > >> > and listen to them, knowing full well that he himself was >>>>>>>>> not the >>>>>>>>> > >> > sharpest knife in the drawer. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > On Jun 7, 8:54 am, Cold Water <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > What did hom do to deserve such high praise from you >>>>>>>>> Woody? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > CW >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> > >> > > From: "Hollywood" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > >> > > To: "PoliticalForum" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> > >> > > Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 09:11 >>>>>>>>> > >> > > Subject: Re: YES! I do miss him! >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > Cold Water, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > I liked to call hom the bumper-sticker President. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > On Jun 7, 6:30 am, Cold Water <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > DO YOU MISS THIS GUY? >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > 'Here's my strategy on the Cold War: >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > We win, they lose.'- Ronald Reagan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > 'The most terrifying words in the English language are: >>>>>>>>> I'm from the >>>>>>>>> > >> government and I'm here to help.'-Ronald Reagan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > 'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that >>>>>>>>> they're ignorant; >>>>>>>>> > >> it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'- Ronald >>>>>>>>> Reagan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > 'Of the four wars in my lifetime, none came about >>>>>>>>> because the U.S. >>>>>>>>> > >> was too strong.'- Ronald Reagan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > 'I have wondered at times about what the Ten >>>>>>>>> Commandments would have >>>>>>>>> > >> looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S. Congress.'- >>>>>>>>> Ronald Reagan >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > ATT000041.jpg >>>>>>>>> > >> > > > 20KViewDownload- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>> > Mark M. 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