Sage2, It's not mere symbolism to the Catholic Church. If it were a Ritz cracker and shot of Kool-Aid would do just as well.
On Jun 21, 11:37 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > EVER HERE OF SYMBOLLISM ? ? ? > > ********************************************************************* > > On Jun 21, 11:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > All the recent talk of religion on the board (christian and Moslem) > > has lead me back to the Church of Gonz.... > > > CHRISTIAN CANNIBALS > > An argument of why Christians are cannibals (and possibly vampires) > > from Christianity's own perspective > > by Jim Walker (an ex-cannibal) > > Originated: 07 January 2003 > > Additions: 10 July 2006 > > > How many Christians realize that when they eat that wafer and drink > > the wine during communion service that they, in effect, practice > > cannibalism by the partaking in the eating of human flesh and blood? > > I certainly did not know that when I underwent communion in my > > religious days. It sounds so innocent and benign; "Communion" imparts > > the concept of sharing thoughts and feelings, or so I thought. Oh how > > the priests fooled me. They used other obscure terms too, like > > "Eucharist" and "Sacrament of the Last Supper." At no time did a > > priest or deacon explain to me that I would share in the communal > > eating of the human flesh and blood of Jesus. > > Cannibal: A person who eats the flesh of human beings. > > Since Jesus represents an actual human being, and I ate him, that made > > me a cannibal. And if you have ever undergone communion, then you too > > fall into that category. > > The Church tricked me and turned me into a cannibal! > > Not only did I drink blood and eat flesh, but they made me do it in > > front of a statue of a bloody corpse hanging by nails on two pieces of > > lumber, a representation of the human whom I had just eaten. (Imagine > > eating a hamburger in front of an image of a freshly slain cow.) > > > The Church indoctrinates cannibalism at an early age. Here we have a > > priest putting pieces of raw human flesh into the mouths of children. > > > While Popes and priests visit foreign countries, they also make sure > > to spread their cannibalism. > > Did this priest tell this child that she would eat human meat before > > putting a slice of it into her mouth? > > When I discovered the shocking realization that I had eaten human > > flesh, and drank human blood I felt like vomiting. Where in the world > > did this morbid practice begin, I wondered. I reread the Bible for > > clues. Could that explain the mystery of the empty tomb of Jesus (Luke > > 24:3)? Did the disciples eat him? > > Several Christians tried to console me by explaining that Communion > > only represents the symbolic eating of flesh, not the real thing (I > > later discovered that many Protestant Christians don't believe in the > > literal eating of Jesus, although some do). I felt relieved for awhile > > until other Christians told me otherwise (virtually all Catholics and > > Episcopalians believe in the literal interpretation). I began to do a > > bit of research for myself from the Catholic Church's own position. My > > stomach began to churn again as I discovered what communion and the > > Eucharist really means. > > > Communion > > Communion, or "Holy Communion" as the Church officially calls it, > > means the actual reception of the Sacrament of the Eucharist. As the > > Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, "For real reception of the Blessed > > Eucharist it is required that the sacred species be received into the > > stomach. For this alone is the eating referred to by our Lord (John > > 6:58)." > > So you can't just put it in your mouth and spit it out. Oh no. You > > have to make sure you swallow it into your stomach! > > I looked up the Biblical chapter in John 6 and found this diabolical > > revelation: > > Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye > > eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life > > in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal > > life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat > > indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (John 6:53-55) > > Egads, I thought. Jesus really wants them to EAT HIM! It would make > > perfect sense if the disciples did eat his dead corpse. Of course you > > wouldn't want to admit your cannibalism to the unbelievers and you'd > > have to explain the missing body to the authorities. You might say > > something like, "He is not here, but is risen..." (Luke 24:6). Yeah, > > right, that's the ticket. > > > If the disciples did eat Christ, it may have looked something like > > this. > > > Eucharist > > Eucharist describes the name given to the "Blessed Sacrament of the > > Altar," (older religions also used blood sacrifices to an altar. Some > > used virgin humans, bulls, lambs, etc.). The Christians use it to mean > > an actual sacrifice by Jesus where they truly believe the bread and > > wine turns into the actual corporal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. > > Christians also use other titles such as, "Table of the Lord" (Mensa > > Domini) or the morbid term, "Lord's Body" (Corpus Domini). > > From the Catholic Church and as far back as the pronouncement from the > > Council of Trent, the quintessence of the Eucharist means that "the > > Body and Blood of the God-man ARE truly, really, and substantially > > present." > > > Here we have a community of Christians lining up to eat and swallow > > the uncooked flesh of Jesus in what Christianity calls the "Blessed > > sacrament of the Altar" or better known as the 'Eucharist' during a > > ceremony of communion. Looks innocent, doesn't it? Not at all the > > image of cannibalism as usually depicted in folklore. > > The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), stresses the centrality > > of the Eucharist to Catholic life: > > The Eucharist is 'the source and summit of the Christian life.' The > > other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works > > of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented > > toward it. For in the Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good > > of the Church, namely Christ himself, or Pasch. > > The Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1324 > > So if you practice Catholicism, and wish to remain a Catholic, you > > must honor the connubiality of the Eucharist. Not only does it mean > > eating the flesh and blood of Christ as a sacrifice, it means a union > > with the gore: > > In the Eucharist the sacrifice of Christ becomes also the sacrifice > > of the members of his Body. The lives of the faithful, their praise, > > sufferings, prayer, and work, are united with those of Christ and with > > his total offering, and so acquire a new value. Christ's sacrifice > > present on the altar makes it possible for all generations of > > Christians to be untied with his offering. > > The Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1368 > > Moreover, you must never deny the priesthoods power of consecrating > > the flesh and blood: > > If any one shall say that in the New Testament there is no visible > > and external priesthood nor any power of consecrating and offering the > > Body and Blood of the Lord, as well as of remitting and retaining > > sins, but merely the office and bare ministry of preaching the Gospel, > > let him be anathema. > > Council of Trent, No. 961 > > Note: anathema means cursed, a malediction on your soul. > > So how does bread and wine turn into actual flesh, you may ask? The > > Christians believe it comes from the concept of transubstantiation. > > > Transubstantiation > > According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Hildebert of Tours (~1079) > > probably first used the term transubstantiation and the Church later > > adopted the practice in the Fourth Council of the Lateran (1215) and > > the Council of Lyons (1274), and finally, the Council of Trent > > (1545-1563). > > Transubstantiation basically means, the transition or conversion of > > one thing into another in some aspect of being. Turning water into > > wine gives one example of transubstantiation, and turning bread into > > flesh and wine into blood gives another. Transubstantiation, however, > > doesn't just describe a simple conversion of one thing into another > > but a substantial conversion (conversio substantialis). > > Transubstantiation differs from every other substantial conversion in > > this, that only the substance gets converted into another. > > [Advice to the Church: Before converting the wine into blood, why not > > also transubstantiate water into wine? No need for expensive grape > > orchards, harvesting, or processing because Jesus would do the entire > > conversion for you for free. That way, you could give (or better yet, > > sell) bottles of wine to your congregations (you could call it "Jesus > > Juice"). You could establish Catholic wineries around the world! Just > > imagine the new converts you would get and, oh how your coffer cups > > would overflow. Just a thought.] > > In the Eucharist, two extremes of conversions occur, namely the bread > > and wine as the terminus a quo, and the Body and Blood of Christ as > > the terminus ad quem (before and after). In other words, the substance > > of the bread and wine departs in order to make room for the Body and > > Blood of Christ. > > Transubstantiation, as a conversion of the total substance, is the > > transition of the entire substance of the bread and wine into the Body > > and Blood of Christ, comes as the express doctrine of the Church > > (Council of Trent, Sess. XIII, can. ii). > > This theophagy (god eating) of course did not come first from the > > Catholics but had occurred throughout pagan religions long before > > Christianity. The notion that eating another living human being lies > > at the belief of absorbing his nature into his own, thus becoming, in > > some sense, more godlike, similar to the even more primitive belief > > that eating one's enemies makes one more powerful. > > No true Christian should doubt it. Eating that wafer and drinking the > > wine in Church actually means truly and really eating human meat and > > blood. In fact, it's the entire body: > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
