So, it is you and people like you that gets to decide who is God, what God said; and if it does not agree with your ideals; to interpret that which was plainly spoken to mean something than the obvious.
I get it. On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > All that really matters is what Jesus said & did > relative to God & humanity; not churches. Knowledge of WISDOM is > knowledge of GOD. If it is written in your heart & soul.....why would > one need scripture from any religion? Jesus never claimed to be a > religion. Men made that claim! > If " symbology " is a word it perhaps means the study > of symbols. I was refering to " symbolics " . Maybe thats what you > meant to say. > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > On Jun 21, 7:40 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, according to the church a transformation takes place. It IS the body > and > > blood of good ole JC. Try your arguement with the Pope. I find no > ambiguity > > or wiggle room in the quoted words of the man himself, if you do, point > them > > out. > > > > If mere symbology, quote me chapter and verse that allows this thought. > Or > > you can admit that you simply choose to accept a "mans" interpretation of > > the act and statement made by your saviour to be solely symbolic. > > > > To do this you would have to allow the same innocent latitude to all > other > > (non-christian) religions to do the same with their texts. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > > > > The point is Jesus was symbolically referring to the > > > Spiritual self. Otherwise he would have said " bite me " so that you > > > may partake of both my body & blood at once. That might have been > > > viewed as cannibalism, so He offered a symbolic gesture. Please refer > > > to original response ! > > > > > > **************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > On Jun 21, 6:30 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Show me the ambiguity in this..... > > > > > > God sent Christ to die and deliver us from our sins. (Romans 5.8.) > Before > > > > His death, He commanded His disciples to partake of the supper in His > > > > remembrance. (Matthew 26.26-28; Mark 14.22-25; Luke 22.14-19.) *“And > as > > > they > > > > were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave > it > > > to > > > > the disciples, and said, 'Take, eat; this is My body.'* > > > > > > ** > > > > You believe or you do not. > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > It's symbolic in the Catholic Church, as the > > > > > original post was refering too. Most other Christian religions do > not > > > > > partake of the of wafers & wine as symbols of the " Body & Blood " > > > > > concept. > > > > > Jesus of course was refering to his " body & blood " in the > Spiritual > > > > > sense. As HE and the HOLY SPIRIT, WISDOM , SHE, were consecrated > as > > > > > ONE . Therefore He was asking that we partake and be consecrated as > > > > > ONE with the Holy Spirit, Wisdom, She, by following His example. > One > > > > > need only ASK! Ask - Seek - Knock . This symbolism also applies > to > > > > > the Yoke around your neck sayings. The reference urges that one > allow > > > > > the yoke of WISDOM, HOLY SPIRIT, the He/She......She/He be part of > > > > > your daily life now and beyond. It really all has to with what is > > > > > written in your heart & soul not in scripture. I graduated beyond > the > > > > > bible many years ago. Why not just go to the source ? > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************ > > > > > > > On Jun 21, 2:05 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > why yes I have. Show me ANYWHERE in scripture where communion is > > > > > identified > > > > > > or even hinted at as being merely "symbolic". > > > > > > > > Ever "hear" of "symbolism" ??? would have furthered your point. > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > EVER HERE OF SYMBOLLISM ? ? ? > > > > > ********************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > On Jun 21, 11:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > All the recent talk of religion on the board (christian and > > > Moslem) > > > > > > > > has lead me back to the Church of Gonz.... > > > > > > > > > > CHRISTIAN CANNIBALS > > > > > > > > An argument of why Christians are cannibals (and possibly > > > vampires) > > > > > > > > from Christianity's own perspective > > > > > > > > by Jim Walker (an ex-cannibal) > > > > > > > > Originated: 07 January 2003 > > > > > > > > Additions: 10 July 2006 > > > > > > > > > > How many Christians realize that when they eat that wafer and > > > drink > > > > > > > > the wine during communion service that they, in effect, > practice > > > > > > > > cannibalism by the partaking in the eating of human flesh and > > > blood? > > > > > > > > I certainly did not know that when I underwent communion in > my > > > > > > > > religious days. It sounds so innocent and benign; "Communion" > > > imparts > > > > > > > > the concept of sharing thoughts and feelings, or so I > thought. Oh > > > how > > > > > > > > the priests fooled me. They used other obscure terms too, > like > > > > > > > > "Eucharist" and "Sacrament of the Last Supper." At no time > did a > > > > > > > > priest or deacon explain to me that I would share in the > communal > > > > > > > > eating of the human flesh and blood of Jesus. > > > > > > > > Cannibal: A person who eats the flesh of human beings. > > > > > > > > Since Jesus represents an actual human being, and I ate him, > that > > > > > made > > > > > > > > me a cannibal. And if you have ever undergone communion, then > you > > > too > > > > > > > > fall into that category. > > > > > > > > The Church tricked me and turned me into a cannibal! > > > > > > > > Not only did I drink blood and eat flesh, but they made me do > it > > > in > > > > > > > > front of a statue of a bloody corpse hanging by nails on two > > > pieces > > > > > of > > > > > > > > lumber, a representation of the human whom I had just eaten. > > > (Imagine > > > > > > > > eating a hamburger in front of an image of a freshly slain > cow.) > > > > > > > > > > The Church indoctrinates cannibalism at an early age. Here we > > > have a > > > > > > > > priest putting pieces of raw human flesh into the mouths of > > > children. > > > > > > > > > > While Popes and priests visit foreign countries, they also > make > > > sure > > > > > > > > to spread their cannibalism. > > > > > > > > Did this priest tell this child that she would eat human meat > > > before > > > > > > > > putting a slice of it into her mouth? > > > > > > > > When I discovered the shocking realization that I had eaten > human > > > > > > > > flesh, and drank human blood I felt like vomiting. Where in > the > > > world > > > > > > > > did this morbid practice begin, I wondered. I reread the > Bible > > > for > > > > > > > > clues. Could that explain the mystery of the empty tomb of > Jesus > > > > > (Luke > > > > > > > > 24:3)? Did the disciples eat him? > > > > > > > > Several Christians tried to console me by explaining that > > > Communion > > > > > > > > only represents the symbolic eating of flesh, not the real > thing > > > (I > > > > > > > > later discovered that many Protestant Christians don't > believe in > > > the > > > > > > > > literal eating of Jesus, although some do). I felt relieved > for > > > > > awhile > > > > > > > > until other Christians told me otherwise (virtually all > Catholics > > > and > > > > > > > > Episcopalians believe in the literal interpretation). I began > to > > > do a > > > > > > > > bit of research for myself from the Catholic Church's own > > > position. > > > > > My > > > > > > > > stomach began to churn again as I discovered what communion > and > > > the > > > > > > > > Eucharist really means. > > > > > > > > > > Communion > > > > > > > > Communion, or "Holy Communion" as the Church officially calls > it, > > > > > > > > means the actual reception of the Sacrament of the Eucharist. > As > > > the > > > > > > > > Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, "For real reception of the > Blessed > > > > > > > > Eucharist it is required that the sacred species be received > into > > > the > > > > > > > > stomach. For this alone is the eating referred to by our Lord > > > (John > > > > > > > > 6:58)." > > > > > > > > So you can't just put it in your mouth and spit it out. Oh > no. > > > You > > > > > > > > have to make sure you swallow it into your stomach! > > > > > > > > I looked up the Biblical chapter in John 6 and found this > > > diabolical > > > > > > > > revelation: > > > > > > > > Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, > Except > > > ye > > > > > > > > eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have > no > > > life > > > > > > > > in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath > > > eternal > > > > > > > > life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh > is > > > meat > > > > > > > > indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (John 6:53-55) > > > > > > > > Egads, I thought. Jesus really wants them to EAT HIM! It > would > > > make > > > > > > > > perfect sense if the disciples did eat his dead corpse. Of > course > > > you > > > > > > > > wouldn't want to admit your cannibalism to the unbelievers > and > > > you'd > > > > > > > > have to explain the missing body to the authorities. You > might > > > say > > > > > > > > something like, "He is not here, but is risen..." (Luke > 24:6). > > > Yeah, > > > > > > > > right, that's the ticket. > > > > > > > > > > If the disciples did eat Christ, it may have looked something > > > like > > > > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > Eucharist > > > > > > > > Eucharist describes the name given to the "Blessed Sacrament > of > > > the > > > > > > > > Altar," (older religions also used blood sacrifices to an > altar. > > > Some > > > > > > > > used virgin humans, bulls, lambs, etc.). The Christians use > it to > > > > > mean > > > > > > > > an actual sacrifice by Jesus where they truly believe the > bread > > > and > > > > > > > > wine turns into the actual corporal flesh and blood of Jesus > > > Christ. > > > > > > > > Christians also use other titles such as, "Table of the Lord" > > > (Mensa > > > > > > > > Domini) or the morbid term, "Lord's Body" (Corpus Domini). > > > > > > > > From the Catholic Church and as far back as the pronouncement > > > from > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Council of Trent, the quintessence of the Eucharist means > that > > > "the > > > > > > > > Body and Blood of the God-man ARE truly, really, and > > > substantially > > > > > > > > present." > > > > > > > > > > Here we have a community of Christians lining up to eat and > > > swallow > > > > > > > > the uncooked flesh of Jesus in what Christianity > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. 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