All that really matters is what Jesus said & did
relative to God & humanity; not churches. Knowledge of WISDOM is
knowledge of GOD. If it is written in your heart & soul.....why would
one need scripture from any religion? Jesus never claimed to be a
religion. Men made that claim!
If " symbology " is a word it perhaps means the study
of symbols. I was refering to " symbolics " . Maybe thats what you
meant to say.
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On Jun 21, 7:40 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> No, according to the church a transformation takes place. It IS the body and
> blood of good ole JC. Try your arguement with the Pope. I find no ambiguity
> or wiggle room in the quoted words of the man himself, if you do, point them
> out.
>
> If mere symbology, quote me chapter and verse that allows this thought. Or
> you can admit that you simply choose to accept a "mans" interpretation of
> the act and statement made by your saviour to be solely symbolic.
>
> To do this you would have to allow the same innocent latitude to all other
> (non-christian) religions to do the same with their texts.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Mark,
>
> > The point is Jesus was symbolically referring to the
> > Spiritual self. Otherwise he would have said " bite me " so that you
> > may partake of both my body & blood at once. That might have been
> > viewed as cannibalism, so He offered a symbolic gesture. Please refer
> > to original response !
>
> > ****************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************
>
> > On Jun 21, 6:30 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Show me the ambiguity in this.....
>
> > > God sent Christ to die and deliver us from our sins. (Romans 5.8.) Before
> > > His death, He commanded His disciples to partake of the supper in His
> > > remembrance. (Matthew 26.26-28; Mark 14.22-25; Luke 22.14-19.) *“And as
> > they
> > > were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it
> > to
> > > the disciples, and said, 'Take, eat; this is My body.'*
>
> > > **
> > > You believe or you do not.
>
> > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > It's symbolic in the Catholic Church, as the
> > > > original post was refering too. Most other Christian religions do not
> > > > partake of the of wafers & wine as symbols of the " Body & Blood "
> > > > concept.
> > > > Jesus of course was refering to his " body & blood " in the Spiritual
> > > > sense. As HE and the HOLY SPIRIT, WISDOM , SHE, were consecrated as
> > > > ONE . Therefore He was asking that we partake and be consecrated as
> > > > ONE with the Holy Spirit, Wisdom, She, by following His example. One
> > > > need only ASK! Ask - Seek - Knock . This symbolism also applies to
> > > > the Yoke around your neck sayings. The reference urges that one allow
> > > > the yoke of WISDOM, HOLY SPIRIT, the He/She......She/He be part of
> > > > your daily life now and beyond. It really all has to with what is
> > > > written in your heart & soul not in scripture. I graduated beyond the
> > > > bible many years ago. Why not just go to the source ?
>
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>
> > > > On Jun 21, 2:05 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > why yes I have. Show me ANYWHERE in scripture where communion is
> > > > identified
> > > > > or even hinted at as being merely "symbolic".
>
> > > > > Ever "hear" of "symbolism" ??? would have furthered your point.
>
> > > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
>
> > > > > > EVER HERE OF SYMBOLLISM ? ? ?
>
> > *********************************************************************
>
> > > > > > On Jun 21, 11:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > All the recent talk of religion on the board (christian and
> > Moslem)
> > > > > > > has lead me back to the Church of Gonz....
>
> > > > > > > CHRISTIAN CANNIBALS
> > > > > > > An argument of why Christians are cannibals (and possibly
> > vampires)
> > > > > > > from Christianity's own perspective
> > > > > > > by Jim Walker (an ex-cannibal)
> > > > > > > Originated: 07 January 2003
> > > > > > > Additions: 10 July 2006
>
> > > > > > > How many Christians realize that when they eat that wafer and
> > drink
> > > > > > > the wine during communion service that they, in effect, practice
> > > > > > > cannibalism by the partaking in the eating of human flesh and
> > blood?
> > > > > > > I certainly did not know that when I underwent communion in my
> > > > > > > religious days. It sounds so innocent and benign; "Communion"
> > imparts
> > > > > > > the concept of sharing thoughts and feelings, or so I thought. Oh
> > how
> > > > > > > the priests fooled me. They used other obscure terms too, like
> > > > > > > "Eucharist" and "Sacrament of the Last Supper." At no time did a
> > > > > > > priest or deacon explain to me that I would share in the communal
> > > > > > > eating of the human flesh and blood of Jesus.
> > > > > > > Cannibal: A person who eats the flesh of human beings.
> > > > > > > Since Jesus represents an actual human being, and I ate him, that
> > > > made
> > > > > > > me a cannibal. And if you have ever undergone communion, then you
> > too
> > > > > > > fall into that category.
> > > > > > > The Church tricked me and turned me into a cannibal!
> > > > > > > Not only did I drink blood and eat flesh, but they made me do it
> > in
> > > > > > > front of a statue of a bloody corpse hanging by nails on two
> > pieces
> > > > of
> > > > > > > lumber, a representation of the human whom I had just eaten.
> > (Imagine
> > > > > > > eating a hamburger in front of an image of a freshly slain cow.)
>
> > > > > > > The Church indoctrinates cannibalism at an early age. Here we
> > have a
> > > > > > > priest putting pieces of raw human flesh into the mouths of
> > children.
>
> > > > > > > While Popes and priests visit foreign countries, they also make
> > sure
> > > > > > > to spread their cannibalism.
> > > > > > > Did this priest tell this child that she would eat human meat
> > before
> > > > > > > putting a slice of it into her mouth?
> > > > > > > When I discovered the shocking realization that I had eaten human
> > > > > > > flesh, and drank human blood I felt like vomiting. Where in the
> > world
> > > > > > > did this morbid practice begin, I wondered. I reread the Bible
> > for
> > > > > > > clues. Could that explain the mystery of the empty tomb of Jesus
> > > > (Luke
> > > > > > > 24:3)? Did the disciples eat him?
> > > > > > > Several Christians tried to console me by explaining that
> > Communion
> > > > > > > only represents the symbolic eating of flesh, not the real thing
> > (I
> > > > > > > later discovered that many Protestant Christians don't believe in
> > the
> > > > > > > literal eating of Jesus, although some do). I felt relieved for
> > > > awhile
> > > > > > > until other Christians told me otherwise (virtually all Catholics
> > and
> > > > > > > Episcopalians believe in the literal interpretation). I began to
> > do a
> > > > > > > bit of research for myself from the Catholic Church's own
> > position.
> > > > My
> > > > > > > stomach began to churn again as I discovered what communion and
> > the
> > > > > > > Eucharist really means.
>
> > > > > > > Communion
> > > > > > > Communion, or "Holy Communion" as the Church officially calls it,
> > > > > > > means the actual reception of the Sacrament of the Eucharist. As
> > the
> > > > > > > Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, "For real reception of the Blessed
> > > > > > > Eucharist it is required that the sacred species be received into
> > the
> > > > > > > stomach. For this alone is the eating referred to by our Lord
> > (John
> > > > > > > 6:58)."
> > > > > > > So you can't just put it in your mouth and spit it out. Oh no.
> > You
> > > > > > > have to make sure you swallow it into your stomach!
> > > > > > > I looked up the Biblical chapter in John 6 and found this
> > diabolical
> > > > > > > revelation:
> > > > > > > Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except
> > ye
> > > > > > > eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no
> > life
> > > > > > > in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath
> > eternal
> > > > > > > life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is
> > meat
> > > > > > > indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (John 6:53-55)
> > > > > > > Egads, I thought. Jesus really wants them to EAT HIM! It would
> > make
> > > > > > > perfect sense if the disciples did eat his dead corpse. Of course
> > you
> > > > > > > wouldn't want to admit your cannibalism to the unbelievers and
> > you'd
> > > > > > > have to explain the missing body to the authorities. You might
> > say
> > > > > > > something like, "He is not here, but is risen..." (Luke 24:6).
> > Yeah,
> > > > > > > right, that's the ticket.
>
> > > > > > > If the disciples did eat Christ, it may have looked something
> > like
> > > > > > > this.
>
> > > > > > > Eucharist
> > > > > > > Eucharist describes the name given to the "Blessed Sacrament of
> > the
> > > > > > > Altar," (older religions also used blood sacrifices to an altar.
> > Some
> > > > > > > used virgin humans, bulls, lambs, etc.). The Christians use it to
> > > > mean
> > > > > > > an actual sacrifice by Jesus where they truly believe the bread
> > and
> > > > > > > wine turns into the actual corporal flesh and blood of Jesus
> > Christ.
> > > > > > > Christians also use other titles such as, "Table of the Lord"
> > (Mensa
> > > > > > > Domini) or the morbid term, "Lord's Body" (Corpus Domini).
> > > > > > > From the Catholic Church and as far back as the pronouncement
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > > Council of Trent, the quintessence of the Eucharist means that
> > "the
> > > > > > > Body and Blood of the God-man ARE truly, really, and
> > substantially
> > > > > > > present."
>
> > > > > > > Here we have a community of Christians lining up to eat and
> > swallow
> > > > > > > the uncooked flesh of Jesus in what Christianity
>
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