KIT, Nope. Want no part of this nonesense. Anything more a waste of time than arguing politics it's arguing religion. Next thing you goofs will be arguing over exactly have many freakin' angels can dance on the head of a pin.
On Jun 22, 11:21 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > (Before Holly jumps in to correct me, I am aware that Corinthians is from > Paul, speaking to the Corinthians, but what Paul is speaking of, is of > Christ, and what he conveyed.) > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Keith In Tampa > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > Hey Mark!! > > > Again, let me emphasize, that I am not the Biblical scholar of the group, > > and obviously, I don't hold d a candle to you, Sage and others. This is my > > impression, and I could be wrong, but a couple of examples of the symbolism > > of which Christ spoke: > > > * Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all > > partake of the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:16-17 > > > And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which > > is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." > > *1 Corinthians 11:24 > > "*In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new > > covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of > > me.*" 1 Corinthians 11:25. > > > It is my (unqualified) opinion that The Eucharist in and of itself is > > symbolic!! Where am I misguided here? How am I wrong?? > > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> why yes I have. Show me ANYWHERE in scripture where communion is > >> identified or even hinted at as being merely "symbolic". > > >> Ever "hear" of "symbolism" ??? would have furthered your point. > > >> On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> EVER HERE OF SYMBOLLISM ? ? ? > > >>> ********************************************************************* > > >>> On Jun 21, 11:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > All the recent talk of religion on the board (christian and Moslem) > >>> > has lead me back to the Church of Gonz.... > > >>> > CHRISTIAN CANNIBALS > >>> > An argument of why Christians are cannibals (and possibly vampires) > >>> > from Christianity's own perspective > >>> > by Jim Walker (an ex-cannibal) > >>> > Originated: 07 January 2003 > >>> > Additions: 10 July 2006 > > >>> > How many Christians realize that when they eat that wafer and drink > >>> > the wine during communion service that they, in effect, practice > >>> > cannibalism by the partaking in the eating of human flesh and blood? > >>> > I certainly did not know that when I underwent communion in my > >>> > religious days. It sounds so innocent and benign; "Communion" imparts > >>> > the concept of sharing thoughts and feelings, or so I thought. Oh how > >>> > the priests fooled me. They used other obscure terms too, like > >>> > "Eucharist" and "Sacrament of the Last Supper." At no time did a > >>> > priest or deacon explain to me that I would share in the communal > >>> > eating of the human flesh and blood of Jesus. > >>> > Cannibal: A person who eats the flesh of human beings. > >>> > Since Jesus represents an actual human being, and I ate him, that made > >>> > me a cannibal. And if you have ever undergone communion, then you too > >>> > fall into that category. > >>> > The Church tricked me and turned me into a cannibal! > >>> > Not only did I drink blood and eat flesh, but they made me do it in > >>> > front of a statue of a bloody corpse hanging by nails on two pieces of > >>> > lumber, a representation of the human whom I had just eaten. (Imagine > >>> > eating a hamburger in front of an image of a freshly slain cow.) > > >>> > The Church indoctrinates cannibalism at an early age. Here we have a > >>> > priest putting pieces of raw human flesh into the mouths of children. > > >>> > While Popes and priests visit foreign countries, they also make sure > >>> > to spread their cannibalism. > >>> > Did this priest tell this child that she would eat human meat before > >>> > putting a slice of it into her mouth? > >>> > When I discovered the shocking realization that I had eaten human > >>> > flesh, and drank human blood I felt like vomiting. Where in the world > >>> > did this morbid practice begin, I wondered. I reread the Bible for > >>> > clues. Could that explain the mystery of the empty tomb of Jesus (Luke > >>> > 24:3)? Did the disciples eat him? > >>> > Several Christians tried to console me by explaining that Communion > >>> > only represents the symbolic eating of flesh, not the real thing (I > >>> > later discovered that many Protestant Christians don't believe in the > >>> > literal eating of Jesus, although some do). I felt relieved for awhile > >>> > until other Christians told me otherwise (virtually all Catholics and > >>> > Episcopalians believe in the literal interpretation). I began to do a > >>> > bit of research for myself from the Catholic Church's own position. My > >>> > stomach began to churn again as I discovered what communion and the > >>> > Eucharist really means. > > >>> > Communion > >>> > Communion, or "Holy Communion" as the Church officially calls it, > >>> > means the actual reception of the Sacrament of the Eucharist. As the > >>> > Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, "For real reception of the Blessed > >>> > Eucharist it is required that the sacred species be received into the > >>> > stomach. For this alone is the eating referred to by our Lord (John > >>> > 6:58)." > >>> > So you can't just put it in your mouth and spit it out. Oh no. You > >>> > have to make sure you swallow it into your stomach! > >>> > I looked up the Biblical chapter in John 6 and found this diabolical > >>> > revelation: > >>> > Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye > >>> > eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life > >>> > in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal > >>> > life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat > >>> > indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (John 6:53-55) > >>> > Egads, I thought. Jesus really wants them to EAT HIM! It would make > >>> > perfect sense if the disciples did eat his dead corpse. Of course you > >>> > wouldn't want to admit your cannibalism to the unbelievers and you'd > >>> > have to explain the missing body to the authorities. You might say > >>> > something like, "He is not here, but is risen..." (Luke 24:6). Yeah, > >>> > right, that's the ticket. > > >>> > If the disciples did eat Christ, it may have looked something like > >>> > this. > > >>> > Eucharist > >>> > Eucharist describes the name given to the "Blessed Sacrament of the > >>> > Altar," (older religions also used blood sacrifices to an altar. Some > >>> > used virgin humans, bulls, lambs, etc.). The Christians use it to mean > >>> > an actual sacrifice by Jesus where they truly believe the bread and > >>> > wine turns into the actual corporal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. > >>> > Christians also use other titles such as, "Table of the Lord" (Mensa > >>> > Domini) or the morbid term, "Lord's Body" (Corpus Domini). > >>> > From the Catholic Church and as far back as the pronouncement from the > >>> > Council of Trent, the quintessence of the Eucharist means that "the > >>> > Body and Blood of the God-man ARE truly, really, and substantially > >>> > present." > > >>> > Here we have a community of Christians lining up to eat and swallow > >>> > the uncooked flesh of Jesus in what Christianity calls the "Blessed > >>> > sacrament of the Altar" or better known as the 'Eucharist' during a > >>> > ceremony of communion. Looks innocent, doesn't it? Not at all the > >>> > image of cannibalism as usually depicted in folklore. > >>> > The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), stresses the centrality > >>> > of the Eucharist to Catholic life: > >>> > The Eucharist is 'the source and summit of the Christian life.' > >>> The > >>> > other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works > >>> > of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented > >>> > toward it. For in the Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good > >>> > of the Church, namely Christ himself, or Pasch. > >>> > The Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1324 > >>> > So if you practice Catholicism, and wish to remain a Catholic, you > >>> > must honor the connubiality of the Eucharist. Not only does it mean > >>> > eating the flesh and blood of Christ as a sacrifice, it means a union > >>> > with the gore: > >>> > In the Eucharist the sacrifice of Christ becomes also the > >>> sacrifice > >>> > of the members of his Body. The lives of the faithful, their praise, > >>> > sufferings, prayer, and work, are united with those of Christ and with > >>> > his total offering, and so acquire a new value. Christ's sacrifice > >>> > present on the altar makes it possible for all generations of > >>> > Christians to be untied with his offering. > >>> > The Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1368 > >>> > Moreover, you must never deny the priesthoods power of consecrating > >>> > the flesh and blood: > >>> > If any one shall say that in the New Testament there is no > >>> visible > >>> > and external priesthood nor any power of consecrating and offering the > >>> > Body and Blood of the Lord, as well as of remitting and retaining > >>> > sins, but merely the office and bare ministry of preaching the Gospel, > >>> > let him be anathema. > >>> > Council of Trent, No. 961 > >>> > Note: anathema means cursed, a malediction on your soul. > >>> > So how does bread and wine turn into actual flesh, you may ask? The > >>> > Christians believe it comes from the concept of transubstantiation. > > >>> > Transubstantiation > >>> > According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Hildebert of Tours (~1079) > >>> > probably first used the term transubstantiation and the Church later > >>> > adopted the practice in the Fourth Council of the Lateran (1215) and > >>> > the Council of Lyons (1274), and finally, the Council of Trent > >>> > (1545-1563). > >>> > Transubstantiation basically means, the transition or conversion of > >>> > one thing into another in some aspect of being. Turning water into > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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