KIT,

Nope. Want no part of this nonesense. Anything more a waste of time
than arguing politics it's arguing religion.
Next thing you goofs will be arguing over exactly have many freakin'
angels can dance on the head of a pin.

On Jun 22, 11:21 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote:
> (Before Holly jumps in to correct me, I am aware that Corinthians is from
> Paul, speaking to the Corinthians, but what Paul is speaking of, is of
> Christ, and what he conveyed.)
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Keith In Tampa 
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hey Mark!!
>
> > Again, let me emphasize, that I am not the Biblical scholar of the group,
> > and obviously, I don't hold d a candle to you, Sage and others.   This is my
> > impression, and I could be wrong,  but a couple of examples of the symbolism
> > of which Christ spoke:
>
> > * Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all
> > partake of the one loaf. 1 Corinthians 10:16-17
>
> > And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which
> > is for you. Do this in remembrance of me."
> > *1 Corinthians 11:24
> > "*In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new
> > covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of
> > me.*"  1 Corinthians 11:25.
>
> > It is my (unqualified) opinion that The Eucharist in and of itself is
> > symbolic!!  Where am I misguided here?  How am I wrong??
>
> > On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 2:05 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >> why yes I have. Show me ANYWHERE in scripture where communion is
> >> identified or even hinted at as being merely "symbolic".
>
> >> Ever "hear" of "symbolism" ??? would have furthered your point.
>
> >>   On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >>>           EVER HERE OF  SYMBOLLISM   ? ? ?
>
> >>> *********************************************************************
>
> >>> On Jun 21, 11:50 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> > All the recent talk of religion on the board (christian and Moslem)
> >>> > has lead me back to the Church of Gonz....
>
> >>> > CHRISTIAN CANNIBALS
> >>> > An argument of why Christians are cannibals (and possibly vampires)
> >>> > from Christianity's own perspective
> >>> > by Jim Walker (an ex-cannibal)
> >>> > Originated: 07 January 2003
> >>> > Additions: 10 July 2006
>
> >>> > How many Christians realize that when they eat that wafer and drink
> >>> > the wine during communion service that they, in effect, practice
> >>> > cannibalism by the partaking in the eating of human flesh and blood?
> >>> > I certainly did not know that when I underwent communion in my
> >>> > religious days. It sounds so innocent and benign; "Communion" imparts
> >>> > the concept of sharing thoughts and feelings, or so I thought. Oh how
> >>> > the priests fooled me. They used other obscure terms too, like
> >>> > "Eucharist" and "Sacrament of the Last Supper." At no time did a
> >>> > priest or deacon explain to me that I would share in the communal
> >>> > eating of the human flesh and blood of Jesus.
> >>> > Cannibal: A person who eats the flesh of human beings.
> >>> > Since Jesus represents an actual human being, and I ate him, that made
> >>> > me a cannibal. And if you have ever undergone communion, then you too
> >>> > fall into that category.
> >>> > The Church tricked me and turned me into a cannibal!
> >>> > Not only did I drink blood and eat flesh, but they made me do it in
> >>> > front of a statue of a bloody corpse hanging by nails on two pieces of
> >>> > lumber, a representation of the human whom I had just eaten. (Imagine
> >>> > eating a hamburger in front of an image of a freshly slain cow.)
>
> >>> > The Church indoctrinates cannibalism at an early age. Here we have a
> >>> > priest putting pieces of raw human flesh into the mouths of children.
>
> >>> > While Popes and priests visit foreign countries, they also make sure
> >>> > to spread their cannibalism.
> >>> > Did this priest tell this child that she would eat human meat before
> >>> > putting a slice of it into her mouth?
> >>> > When I discovered the shocking realization that I had eaten human
> >>> > flesh, and drank human blood I felt like vomiting. Where in the world
> >>> > did this morbid practice begin, I wondered. I reread the Bible for
> >>> > clues. Could that explain the mystery of the empty tomb of Jesus (Luke
> >>> > 24:3)? Did the disciples eat him?
> >>> > Several Christians tried to console me by explaining that Communion
> >>> > only represents the symbolic eating of flesh, not the real thing (I
> >>> > later discovered that many Protestant Christians don't believe in the
> >>> > literal eating of Jesus, although some do). I felt relieved for awhile
> >>> > until other Christians told me otherwise (virtually all Catholics and
> >>> > Episcopalians believe in the literal interpretation). I began to do a
> >>> > bit of research for myself from the Catholic Church's own position. My
> >>> > stomach began to churn again as I discovered what communion and the
> >>> > Eucharist really means.
>
> >>> > Communion
> >>> > Communion, or "Holy Communion" as the Church officially calls it,
> >>> > means the actual reception of the Sacrament of the Eucharist. As the
> >>> > Catholic Encyclopedia puts it, "For real reception of the Blessed
> >>> > Eucharist it is required that the sacred species be received into the
> >>> > stomach. For this alone is the eating referred to by our Lord (John
> >>> > 6:58)."
> >>> > So you can't just put it in your mouth and spit it out. Oh no. You
> >>> > have to make sure you swallow it into your stomach!
> >>> > I looked up the Biblical chapter in John 6 and found this diabolical
> >>> > revelation:
> >>> > Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye
> >>> > eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life
> >>> > in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal
> >>> > life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat
> >>> > indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. (John 6:53-55)
> >>> > Egads, I thought. Jesus really wants them to EAT HIM! It would make
> >>> > perfect sense if the disciples did eat his dead corpse. Of course you
> >>> > wouldn't want to admit your cannibalism to the unbelievers and you'd
> >>> > have to explain the missing body to the authorities. You might say
> >>> > something like, "He is not here, but is risen..." (Luke 24:6). Yeah,
> >>> > right, that's the ticket.
>
> >>> > If the disciples did eat Christ, it may have looked something like
> >>> > this.
>
> >>> > Eucharist
> >>> > Eucharist describes the name given to the "Blessed Sacrament of the
> >>> > Altar," (older religions also used blood sacrifices to an altar. Some
> >>> > used virgin humans, bulls, lambs, etc.). The Christians use it to mean
> >>> > an actual sacrifice by Jesus where they truly believe the bread and
> >>> > wine turns into the actual corporal flesh and blood of Jesus Christ.
> >>> > Christians also use other titles such as, "Table of the Lord" (Mensa
> >>> > Domini) or the morbid term, "Lord's Body" (Corpus Domini).
> >>> > From the Catholic Church and as far back as the pronouncement from the
> >>> > Council of Trent, the quintessence of the Eucharist means that "the
> >>> > Body and Blood of the God-man ARE truly, really, and substantially
> >>> > present."
>
> >>> > Here we have a community of Christians lining up to eat and swallow
> >>> > the uncooked flesh of Jesus in what Christianity calls the "Blessed
> >>> > sacrament of the Altar" or better known as the 'Eucharist' during a
> >>> > ceremony of communion. Looks innocent, doesn't it? Not at all the
> >>> > image of cannibalism as usually depicted in folklore.
> >>> > The Catechism of the Catholic Church (1992), stresses the centrality
> >>> > of the Eucharist to Catholic life:
> >>> >         The Eucharist is 'the source and summit of the Christian life.'
> >>> The
> >>> > other sacraments, and indeed all ecclesiastical ministries and works
> >>> > of the apostolate, are bound up with the Eucharist and are oriented
> >>> > toward it. For in the Eucharist is contained the whole spiritual good
> >>> > of the Church, namely Christ himself, or Pasch.
> >>> > The Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1324
> >>> > So if you practice Catholicism, and wish to remain a Catholic, you
> >>> > must honor the connubiality of the Eucharist. Not only does it mean
> >>> > eating the flesh and blood of Christ as a sacrifice, it means a union
> >>> > with the gore:
> >>> >         In the Eucharist the sacrifice of Christ becomes also the
> >>> sacrifice
> >>> > of the members of his Body. The lives of the faithful, their praise,
> >>> > sufferings, prayer, and work, are united with those of Christ and with
> >>> > his total offering, and so acquire a new value. Christ's sacrifice
> >>> > present on the altar makes it possible for all generations of
> >>> > Christians to be untied with his offering.
> >>> > The Catechism of the Catholic Church, No. 1368
> >>> > Moreover, you must never deny the priesthoods power of consecrating
> >>> > the flesh and blood:
> >>> >         If any one shall say that in the New Testament there is no
> >>> visible
> >>> > and external priesthood nor any power of consecrating and offering the
> >>> > Body and Blood of the Lord, as well as of remitting and retaining
> >>> > sins, but merely the office and bare ministry of preaching the Gospel,
> >>> > let him be anathema.
> >>> > Council of Trent, No. 961
> >>> > Note: anathema means cursed, a malediction on your soul.
> >>> > So how does bread and wine turn into actual flesh, you may ask? The
> >>> > Christians believe it comes from the concept of transubstantiation.
>
> >>> > Transubstantiation
> >>> > According to the Catholic Encyclopedia, Hildebert of Tours (~1079)
> >>> > probably first used the term transubstantiation and the Church later
> >>> > adopted the practice in the Fourth Council of the Lateran (1215) and
> >>> > the Council of Lyons (1274), and finally, the Council of Trent
> >>> > (1545-1563).
> >>> > Transubstantiation basically means, the transition or conversion of
> >>> > one thing into another in some aspect of being. Turning water into
>
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