Bruce, More importantly, you are taking away from the American work force! You, as a farmer (or any business owner) should be paying a decent wage to an American! The only purpose of hiring an illegal alien is to get a work product at a cheap rate, which is immoral, and despicable!!
I just looked, and the Libertarian Party has modified their Platform.....A little bit...... "We support the removal of governmental impediments to free trade. Political freedom and escape from tyranny demand that individuals not be unreasonably constrained by government in the crossing of political boundaries. Economic freedom demands the unrestricted movement of human as well as financial capital across national borders. However, we support control over the entry into our country of foreign nationals who pose a threat to security, health or property." http://www.lp.org/platform ============ Although you can take this for what it is worth, Wiki has a section on Libertarians, which for the most part, sounds accurate to me. It has only been within the last 12 to 18 months that the Libertarian Party has backed off of the "Open Border" concept, and hardly is the Libertarian Party whole heartedly supporting security of our borders!!! On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bruce, > > Bruce, > > On Jul 12, 10:55 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > Banks actually offer accounts to illegal aliens, but do not welcome in > > violent criminals > > The analogy below fails > > ************************************************************************************* > ** I can have an account at any bank and still choose to rob it. > Illegals choose to steal, lie & cheat there way in over other honest > immigrants coming in legally ! Analogy stands ! > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > If I have a farm and invite "illegal" "aliens" to work on it that isn't > > immoral and the government that attempts to prevent this consensual > > nonviolent act is violating our rights > > ************************************************************************************** > > > > ** It may not be a violent criminal act to enter the country " > illegally " but it is " ILLEGAL " and you as farmer Bruce are aiding and > abetting said non-violent yet " Illegal " crime. Comprehension of words and > their meanings go a long way. LEGAL/ILLEGAL > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Lets put it at your level of comprehension LAD! > > > People all know there is money in the banks to be had and if they rob > > > it they will be better off economically. However; banks do not invite > > > people in to rob them only to come in and conduct business legally. It > > > is the " illegal aliens" who steal, lie & cheat their way in this > > > country with their own legs & own will. Now if they come in " legally > > > " like other immigrants do than there is no problem because they did > > > not come into the country " illegally ". The problem on this thread > > > is that some are able to differentiate between " legal " and " > > > illegal " and others like you, enablers, cohorts, etc; are not able to > > > do so. There is ideology and then there is reality; reality trumps > > > ideology every time. The reality being that there are millions of " > > > illegal immigrants " who are causing unjust burdens on other citizens > > > in this country to which the rest of us have to pay for. They are in > > > affect robbing the bank and are assisted by said enablers, > > > cohorts,ie., ACLU. LaRatza, congress, sanctuary cities.....et al . > > > Everyone knows that you take care of your legal business at the bank > > > and then you get the hell out. No rational bank manager will let you > > > set up camp . > > > > > > ************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:36 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Sage2, > > > > > > ********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************* > > > > > > Please expalin where I said "only business"? Why is there such a > > > > frantic attempt to deflect any sort of responsibility for this > problem > > > > from "business"? Why the attempt to talk about any one EXCEPT > > > > business? If you wish to claim I want to talk about only business > what > > > > would be irrational about my claiming you wish to talk about anyone > > > > EXCEPT "business"? > > > > > > Why are not businesses that attract , hire and protect illegals also > > > > described as "maggots"? Tell you what, you include American > > > > corporations in that list of "enabling maggots" and I will agree with > > > > you. But you won't, will you? > > > > Tell me where i attempted to defend any of those organizations you > > > > mentioned, concerning the illegal alien issue. > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:03 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Holly, > > > > > > > Your attempt was to put the problem of "enabling" > > > > > illegal immigration only @ businesses , but you failed to mention > the > > > > > other enablers in government most of whom are Democrats. How about > > > > > the ACLU (American Communist Lawyers Union ), LaRatza ( I smell a > > > > > ratz ) , the sanctuary cities like San Fransisco, New Haven and all > > > > > the other maggot enablers who think that Mexican Alien Immigrants > and > > > > > their likes have a right to perpetrate crimes and cheat, steal & > lie > > > > > their way in over other immigrants trying to get in legally. > Another > > > > > great attempt at stop & spin though LAD ! > > > > > > ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:24 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Sage2, > > > > > > > > You are correct of course. I assume that the companies that hire > them > > > > > > must of course be listed as among the cohorts and defenders of > > > illegal > > > > > > aliens. Correct? Are you familiar with the term "enabling"? > > > > > > > > Sorry lad, I do not own a Urban Dictionary. I assume you have > some > > > > > > objection to the terms "illegal alieb" and/or illegal > immigration"? > > > If > > > > > > so, tough shit, you know full well what I mean. > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:05 pm, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Not only are the " illegal aliens " > guilty > > > of > > > > > > > " illegal immigration " but they and their cohorts & defenders > are > > > > > > > also guilty of insolence. They have no respect for the the > > > injustice > > > > > > > they perpetrate against all Americans and all the hard working > > > > > > > immigrants who come to make their new life in this country > legally. > > > Of > > > > > > > course they do not acknowledge the injustice because they are > > > unable > > > > > > > to comprehend the definitions of either the words legal or > illegal. > > > to > > > > > > > much reliance on the URBAN DICTIONARY. Right Holly ?? > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:19 am, Sage2 <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The larger problem are those aiding and > > > abetting > > > > > > > > both businesses & the " illegals ",ie; sanctuary cities, > > > government > > > > > > > > officials, churches,ACLU, LaRatza, and all the other cronies > that > > > bend > > > > > > > > over to in effect gain both cheap labor, and cheap votes. > These > > > > > > > > people are stealing, cheating, and undermining those who have > > > and/or > > > > > > > > are trying to obtain citizenship legally. Those who support > ' > > > Illegal > > > > > > > > immigration " are to feeble minded to understand what the > > > definition > > > > > > > > of " illegal " is and have no problem in wasting our TAX > DOLLARS > > > on > > > > > > > > those who break the immigration laws. For the socialist > democrats > > > it > > > > > > > > works well because an uneducated mass coming over the borders > is > > > > > > > > easier to control especially if you throw them in with the > > > uneducated > > > > > > > > masses in our urban cities. California is now suffering > because > > > of > > > > > > > > such policies! The rest of the country will also feel the > > > affects > > > > > > > > these illegal activities have especially in a down economy > like > > > this > > > > > > > > one, which Obama & company are about to destroy. > > > > > > *************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:22 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > Sure, just so long as they do it LEGALLY. > > > > > > > > > So, you really do NOT want to solve the illegal alien > problem? > > > You > > > > > > > > > WANT to allow CERTAIN people to break American immigration > laws > > > with > > > > > > > > > no significant punishment or consequences? Gee, I thought > you > > > lads > > > > > > > > > were all about law & order, personal responsibility and > doing > > > > > > > > > something about unemployment. Guess not. > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 8:45 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > People should be free to work and live where they like > > > > > > > > > > Just not to live off taxpayers > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Hollywood < > > > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got an idea. Why don't we simply dry up the reason > they > > > are coming > > > > > > > > > > > here illegally? They come here for jobs, to work here > > > illegally. Send > > > > > > > > > > > govt. agents, INS or whomever to raid plants and look > for > > > illegal > > > > > > > > > > > workers. And, of course, deport those illegals but more > > > importantly > > > > > > > > > > > provide punsihment to the people that hire them that > would > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > significant enough to stop them from ever even THINKING > of > > > doing that > > > > > > > > > > > again. Throw a few plant managers and HR managers in > jail, > > > fine them > > > > > > > > > > > significantly enough to put a stop to the illegal > activity > > > of hiring > > > > > > > > > > > illegals. What good does it do to fime a company a few > > > bucks if they > > > > > > > > > > > are saving 10 times that amount by hiring the illegals? > If > > > i commit a > > > > > > > > > > > crime that nets me a profit of $1 million dollars and > I'm > > > caught and > > > > > > > > > > > the fine is $100,000.00 with no jail time why on earth > > > would I NOT > > > > > > > > > > > commit that crime again, first chance I got? > > > > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and forbid any company caught hiring illegals > from > > > even > > > > > > > > > > > bidding on any city, county, state or federal govt. > > > contracts for at > > > > > > > > > > > least on year or so. No, maybe it would be tough to do > that > > > to every > > > > > > > > > > > homeowner that hires and illegal to cut his grass or > clean > > > his pool > > > > > > > > > > > but it would have an impact on large agricultural, > > > manufacturers, meat > > > > > > > > > > > & poultry processors, etc. etc. Enough out of work > American > > > citizens > > > > > > > > > > > to fill those jobs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 7:53 am, bruce majors < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* Jeff Schwilk <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > *Date:* 7/10/2009 10:39:51 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* LA Times: The Cost of Illegal Aliens > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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