I was posting a reply to a long thread. You were both in it. Have a nice day!
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > bruce, > > I don't care. If you have a problem with something Frederick has said > I suggest yolu take it up with Fred. Why are you telling me? > > You don't see a lot of things. How is that my problem? Didn't fucking > ask you what you "saw" in my post, asked you to point out any false or > illogical statements. Piss off. > > On Jul 13, 9:37 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > Holly the post before yours from Fred clearly stated that Republicans ran > > ads against clean coal technology > > When in fact Green Democrat groups did all through last fall, claiming > there > > was no such technology > > > > I see absolutely no substantive content in your post below > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Hollywood <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > bruce, > > > > > Did you not read the part where I mentioned the so-called leaders of > > > BOTH parties have been momumental fuck-ups concerning this issue for > > > decades and decades? Maybe if we all stopped hysterically screaming > > > "well YOUR party is more of a fuck-up than MY party" we might fucking > > > get somewhere. > > > > > One technology may produce CLEANER coal than another, that's about it. > > > Your are stuck, trapped by your own propaganda and labels. I HAVE been > > > "saying worthwhile things" about energy. You so dull-witted and > > > limited to believe that fossil fuel produced energy is the ONLY > > > energy? The very definition of energy? > > > > > Be so kind as to point out any falsehoods in my post, any illogical > > > statements. > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:11 am, bruce majors <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > The commercials run against clean coal were mainly run by > environmental > > > > groups from the left wing of the Democratic Party, who claim that > there > > > is > > > > no such thing as a clean coal technology, and that all coal is always > > > dirty > > > > and should be outlawed > > > > Indeed Obama and Biden at variouspoints in the campaign could not > both > > > stay > > > > on message, one saying all coalis bad and another claiming there was > a > > > clean > > > > coal technology, as Fred thinks. > > > > > > I will be interested to see if you two can actually say anything > > > worthwhile > > > > about energy. In general most Democrats don't seem to be able to. > You > > > > have no idea about production and how economies work in general, > about > > > how > > > > bread arrives in your grocery store. At only gets worse as the topic > > > > becomes more complicated > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:38 PM, Hollywood < > [email protected] > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > Jesus Christ, must we go over all of this yet again? Our political > > > > > "leaders' of BOTH parties have been complete, self-serving morons > > > > > concerning energy policy and the approach to alternative fuels to > > > > > carbon based fuels for decades now. > > > > > > > BIG hint, do you remember the OPEC oil embargo of 1973, over 35 > > > > > fucking years ago? What did all our illustrious leaders say? You > don't > > > > > remember all the impassioned speeches, from BOTH party's "leaders" > > > > > about how "Americans will never be held hostage by "foreign oil" > ever > > > > > again"? How about the promises to devote as much money and > "American > > > > > know-how" as needed to sovle this issue? No we probably can't solve > > > > > the problem in 3 to 5 years. What if we had began in earnest 35 > > > > > fucking years ago? > > > > > > > For Christ's Sake, Henry Ford and Rudolph Deisel fully intended for > > > > > their engines to run on vegtable based oil or ethyl alcohol 100 > years > > > > > ago. Henry Ford built a car out of help plant fiber and run on hemp > > > > > seed oil in 1941. > > > > > Anything, from plastics, to fertiziler, to paint to fuel for cars & > > > > > trucks, currently made from the fossil fuel normally called oil can > be > > > > > made from hemp seed oil. Everything currently made from wood can be > > > > > made using the fiber from the hemp plant. The Constituion was > printed > > > > > on paper made from hemp. Ever heard the expression "he was hung > with a > > > > > good hemp rope"? We've only been aware of this for 100 years or so. > > > > > > > And that is Just ONE little plant, the hemp plant. I could go on > and > > > > > on and on. But I've done it many times before and some people just > > > > > don't want to listen. Our political leaders haven't been doing any > > > > > leading on this since before I was born, gutless wonders that they > > > > > are. No will, no guts, no imagination whatsoever. > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:48 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > > I recall no television commercials where the GOP were opposed to > > > clean > > > > > coal > > > > > > technology. Just the opposite is true. I recall there being a > split > > > > > > between Joe Biden and President Obama; Biden favoring clean coal > > > > > > technology, as opposed to his running mate. > > > > > > > > There should be no partisan issues here, and yes, the Democrats > made > > > it a > > > > > > partisan issue. > > > > > > > > If you think that we are going to come up with some alternative > > > energy > > > > > that > > > > > > will replace the combustion engine in the next three to five > years, > > > (or > > > > > ten > > > > > > years) then you are not nearly as saavy as I thought you were. > Oil > > > is > > > > > > requisite for our society, and we need it! It is a matter of > > > national > > > > > > security for our Nation to function, from the food that you eat, > to > > > the > > > > > > shrink wrap that covers your underwear that you buy at K-Mart, > oil is > > > a > > > > > > prerequisite. There are no air farm packages manufactured, there > are > > > no > > > > > > nuclear fueled automobiles, and to date, there is no hydrogen > powered > > > or > > > > > > water powered facilities that make tools, equipment, asphalt, or > the > > > > > > thousands of other items that we depend upon for petroleum in > this > > > > > Nation. > > > > > > > > You are turning a blind eye if you suggest that there is more > than > > > one > > > > > > answer here, there isn't. Our Nation needs a comprehensive > energy > > > policy > > > > > > and plan, of which the Republican Party has placed forth, and the > > > > > socialists > > > > > > are fighting tooth and nail in their attempt at class warfare and > > > their > > > > > > Anti-American agenda. > > > > > > > > To suggest that we should be a part of the Kyoto Treaty, which > limits > > > our > > > > > > ability to produce, but doesn't limit emerging Nation-States like > > > China, > > > > > > India, Thailand, Brazil, or any other third world Nation-State is > > > > > > Anti-American. It is laughable, and just misplaced. > > > > > > > > I encourage you to read, study, and look for what has been > proposed, > > > and > > > > > > then, once you realize that you, and the rest of the Democrat > > > > > constituents > > > > > > have been sold a bill of goods, get on the phone with your > > > Congressman > > > > > and > > > > > > demand that they support a comprehensive energy plan that > includes > > > the > > > > > > expansion for exploring and drilling for more oil, as well as a > > > concerted > > > > > > attempt at developing new energy technologies, like hydrogen. > > > > > > > > There would be no partisan debate if folks like you would educate > > > > > yourself > > > > > > and start looking at the consequences of what the Democrat > Party's > > > plan > > > > > is, > > > > > > and what their real agenda is..... > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hollywood < > > > [email protected] > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > Your simply beautiful man, a piece of work. Here's your > position > > > > > > > basically, with most of the bullshit stripped away. > > > > > > > "There won't be no "partisan rifts", just so long as you do > things > > > our > > > > > > > way and go get all uppity by having opinions that differ from > > > ours". > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and the simple act of disagreeing with us makes you > > > "social- > > > > > > > elitist anti-Americans". > > > > > > > > > You remind me a lot of my first wife. Everything would have > been > > > fine > > > > > > > had I learned to shut the fuck up and just done everything her > way. > > > > > > > THAT was thew ENTIRE problem. "Sniff".... I miss that bitch so > much > > > > > > > I'm almost as miserable as when she was here.. :-) > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > > > > How ridiculous! If there was a partisan rift, it was caused > by > > > those > > > > > far > > > > > > > > left socialists that belong to the Democrat Party! There was > > > nothing > > > > > > > > partisan about this issue, until such time as the socialists > did > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > that they could do, to block the exploration and drilling for > oil > > > in > > > > > and > > > > > > > > around our Nation! The Democrats have blocked any type of > > > > > comprehensive > > > > > > > > energy plan that encompasses development of Hydrogen, clean > > > coal, > > > > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > power, and once again, the expanded drilling for more > > > hydrocarbons! > > > > > This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > flat out Un-American, and the purpose is sinister! First, > the > > > > > Democrats > > > > > > > > attempted to make the former Presidential Administration look > bad > > > > > when > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cost of oil skyrocketed last year. Second, the socialists > know > > > that > > > > > high > > > > > > > > energy costs are beneficial to their cause, (e.g.; tax > breaks, > > > > > subsidized > > > > > > > > heating, subsidized fuel, and the "class warfare card" that > > > > > socialists > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > so well!!) > > > > > > > > > > It is flat out ignorant and uninformed to blame the failure > of > > > our > > > > > > > Congress > > > > > > > > to come up with and implement a comprehensive energy plan! > The > > > > > > > partisanship > > > > > > > > and the Anti-American position can all be laid at the feet of > the > > > > > > > Democrat > > > > > > > > Party! The Republicans have come up with and wanted to > implement > > > a > > > > > > > > comprehensive energy plan!! > > > > > > > > > > There is no getting around this fact!! Lay blame, where > blame > > > lies > > > > > > > Fred!! > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 12:10 AM, Frederick The Moderate < > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm for just about anything at this point. But the GOP / > > > > > Conservatives > > > > > > > > > seem to have turned this into a "right v. left" issue > instead > > > of a > > > > > > > > > "Let's not be stupid and help ourselves" issue. Look at any > > > time > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
