Everything that could increase energy supplies and domestic production that is feasible has been outlawed
On Mon, Jul 13, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Hollywood <[email protected]>wrote: > > Zeb, > > Please feel free to suggest anything you wish. > > On Jul 13, 9:49 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > I suspect that if hemp could replace oil and other commodities as > > easily and efficiently as you assert, someone like T. Boone Pickins > > would have capitalized on it long ago. Like you say, there would be a > > fortune in it. > > > > On Jul 13, 12:23 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Richard, > > > > > We probably have more in common that you think. I think you just let > > > the label "liberal" sometimes influence your thinking and opinions. I > > > have been saying these same things for years. > > > > > All you have to do is take the advice an old retired big city police > > > detective once gave me years ago. If you ever want to know WHY a thing > > > has been done or, more importantly, WHO is behind that thing just > > > FOLLOW THE MONEY. There are always two reasons for a thing being done. > > > There is the public reason given, and then there is the REAL reason. > > > Ask yourself, why is it illegal in the U.S. to grow one of the most > > > useful plants known to man, and has been since the 1930's? PUBLIC > > > REASON: It is a relative to the marijuana plant and might be mistaken > > > for it. > > > REAL REASON: FOLLOW THE MONEY. It can and would, in time, replace or > > > at the very least reduce the need and useage of oil in the country. > > > Who do you think could possibly object to that? Maybe Mobil/Exxon and > > > a bunch of other people. > > > Now, who would not like to use the hemp plant fiber to replace wood? > > > Consider that Industrail Grade Hemp is basically a weed and will grow > > > pretty much anywhere in the CONUS. As a weed it needs very little > > > fertilizers to grow. Who makes fertilizers and what is an important > > > component in making fertilizers? As a weed basically it also needs > > > very little pesticides. Who makes a lot of pesticides? Who grows, > > > harvests and makes paper out of trees? What is used in immense amounts > > > to turn trees into paper? > > > > > Now, ask yourself why corn was used to make ethanol. a dumb idea in > > > the first place. A major food crop for God's sake. > > > Guess which two crops use the most fertilizers, pesticides and other > > > chemicals? it's cotton and CORN. > > > > > So, who is likely to be hurt, at least short term, by fully utilizing > > > the industrial grade hemp plant? Only heavy- weights such as all the > > > oil companies, all the paper companies and all the major chemical > > > companies in this country. You think those boys have any political > > > clout in this country? > > > > > ALWAYS FOLLOW THE MONEY. > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:21 pm, RichardForbes <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > You are starting to scare me, or more accurately our level of > > > > agreement is starting to scare me. I have a really hard time > figuring > > > > out how our politicians can argu over such ridiculous matters as they > > > > are simultaneously complicit in the damaging of our national > > > > security. It make no sense to me. > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:38 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > Jesus Christ, must we go over all of this yet again? Our political > > > > > "leaders' of BOTH parties have been complete, self-serving morons > > > > > concerning energy policy and the approach to alternative fuels to > > > > > carbon based fuels for decades now. > > > > > > > BIG hint, do you remember the OPEC oil embargo of 1973, over 35 > > > > > fucking years ago? What did all our illustrious leaders say? You > don't > > > > > remember all the impassioned speeches, from BOTH party's "leaders" > > > > > about how "Americans will never be held hostage by "foreign oil" > ever > > > > > again"? How about the promises to devote as much money and > "American > > > > > know-how" as needed to sovle this issue? No we probably can't solve > > > > > the problem in 3 to 5 years. What if we had began in earnest 35 > > > > > fucking years ago? > > > > > > > For Christ's Sake, Henry Ford and Rudolph Deisel fully intended for > > > > > their engines to run on vegtable based oil or ethyl alcohol 100 > years > > > > > ago. Henry Ford built a car out of help plant fiber and run on hemp > > > > > seed oil in 1941. > > > > > Anything, from plastics, to fertiziler, to paint to fuel for cars & > > > > > trucks, currently made from the fossil fuel normally called oil can > be > > > > > made from hemp seed oil. Everything currently made from wood can be > > > > > made using the fiber from the hemp plant. The Constituion was > printed > > > > > on paper made from hemp. Ever heard the expression "he was hung > with a > > > > > good hemp rope"? We've only been aware of this for 100 years or so. > > > > > > > And that is Just ONE little plant, the hemp plant. I could go on > and > > > > > on and on. But I've done it many times before and some people just > > > > > don't want to listen. Our political leaders haven't been doing any > > > > > leading on this since before I was born, gutless wonders that they > > > > > are. No will, no guts, no imagination whatsoever. > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 2:48 pm, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > > I recall no television commercials where the GOP were opposed to > clean coal > > > > > > technology. Just the opposite is true. I recall there being a > split > > > > > > between Joe Biden and President Obama; Biden favoring clean coal > > > > > > technology, as opposed to his running mate. > > > > > > > > There should be no partisan issues here, and yes, the Democrats > made it a > > > > > > partisan issue. > > > > > > > > If you think that we are going to come up with some alternative > energy that > > > > > > will replace the combustion engine in the next three to five > years, (or ten > > > > > > years) then you are not nearly as saavy as I thought you were. > Oil is > > > > > > requisite for our society, and we need it! It is a matter of > national > > > > > > security for our Nation to function, from the food that you eat, > to the > > > > > > shrink wrap that covers your underwear that you buy at K-Mart, > oil is a > > > > > > prerequisite. There are no air farm packages manufactured, there > are no > > > > > > nuclear fueled automobiles, and to date, there is no hydrogen > powered or > > > > > > water powered facilities that make tools, equipment, asphalt, or > the > > > > > > thousands of other items that we depend upon for petroleum in > this Nation. > > > > > > > > You are turning a blind eye if you suggest that there is more > than one > > > > > > answer here, there isn't. Our Nation needs a comprehensive > energy policy > > > > > > and plan, of which the Republican Party has placed forth, and the > socialists > > > > > > are fighting tooth and nail in their attempt at class warfare and > their > > > > > > Anti-American agenda. > > > > > > > > To suggest that we should be a part of the Kyoto Treaty, which > limits our > > > > > > ability to produce, but doesn't limit emerging Nation-States like > China, > > > > > > India, Thailand, Brazil, or any other third world Nation-State is > > > > > > Anti-American. It is laughable, and just misplaced. > > > > > > > > I encourage you to read, study, and look for what has been > proposed, and > > > > > > then, once you realize that you, and the rest of the Democrat > constituents > > > > > > have been sold a bill of goods, get on the phone with your > Congressman and > > > > > > demand that they support a comprehensive energy plan that > includes the > > > > > > expansion for exploring and drilling for more oil, as well as a > concerted > > > > > > attempt at developing new energy technologies, like hydrogen. > > > > > > > > There would be no partisan debate if folks like you would educate > yourself > > > > > > and start looking at the consequences of what the Democrat > Party's plan is, > > > > > > and what their real agenda is..... > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Hollywood < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > > > > > > KIT, > > > > > > > > > Your simply beautiful man, a piece of work. Here's your > position > > > > > > > basically, with most of the bullshit stripped away. > > > > > > > "There won't be no "partisan rifts", just so long as you do > things our > > > > > > > way and go get all uppity by having opinions that differ from > ours". > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and the simple act of disagreeing with us makes you > "social- > > > > > > > elitist anti-Americans". > > > > > > > > > You remind me a lot of my first wife. Everything would have > been fine > > > > > > > had I learned to shut the fuck up and just done everything her > way. > > > > > > > THAT was thew ENTIRE problem. "Sniff".... I miss that bitch so > much > > > > > > > I'm almost as miserable as when she was here.. :-) > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 10:57 am, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Fred, > > > > > > > > > > How ridiculous! If there was a partisan rift, it was caused > by those far > > > > > > > > left socialists that belong to the Democrat Party! There was > nothing > > > > > > > > partisan about this issue, until such time as the socialists > did > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > that they could do, to block the exploration and drilling for > oil in and > > > > > > > > around our Nation! The Democrats have blocked any type of > comprehensive > > > > > > > > energy plan that encompasses development of Hydrogen, clean > coal, > > > > > > > nuclear > > > > > > > > power, and once again, the expanded drilling for more > hydrocarbons! This > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > flat out Un-American, and the purpose is sinister! First, > the Democrats > > > > > > > > attempted to make the former Presidential Administration look > bad when > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cost of oil skyrocketed last year. Second, the socialists > know that high > > > > > > > > energy costs are beneficial to their cause, (e.g.; tax > breaks, subsidized > > > > > > > > heating, subsidized fuel, and the "class warfare card" that > socialists > > > > > > > play > > > > > > > > so well!!) > > > > > > > > > > It is flat out ignorant and uninformed to blame the failure > of our > > > > > > > Congress > > > > > > > > to come up with and implement a comprehensive energy plan! > The > > > > > > > partisanship > > > > > > > > and the Anti-American position can all be laid at the feet of > the > > > > > > > Democrat > > > > > > > > Party! The Republicans have come up with and wanted to > implement a > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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