I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You are indeed
wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an oath... it did not
effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed links.... this
is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up.
U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth and
Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual Nationality I. Basic
Primer on American Citizenship Law
1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two ways: by birth
or by naturalization.
2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, i.e., through
place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent from his/her
parents.
3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with children born
to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., a person born in
any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands is
an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus soli, regardless of
the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the Embassy or your
nearest consulate for more information.
4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or territories to an
American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through jus sanguinis. For
additional information about the complicated issue of transmission of U.S.
citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS website or contact the
Embassy or your nearest consulate.
5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some time after
his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by applying for U.S.
citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. Normally, he/she must
have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period before becoming
eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to citizenship, the
applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise to obey the
Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information about naturalization,
please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, Consulate
General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am Main, 069-7535-2233,
-2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on naturalization.
6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically become an
American citizen. For more information about the naturalization of adopted
children, please contact the Immigration and Naturalization Service at the
address, telephone numbers, and/or web site in paragraph 5 above.
7. Americans have a right under U.S. law to renounce their U.S.
citizenship in a consulate abroad. For more information on loss of U.S.
citizenship, please contact the Embassy or your nearest consulate.
II. Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law
1. A person can become a German citizen in one of three ways: by birth,
by adoption as a minor, or by naturalization.
2. A person may be born a German citizen by either jus sanguinis, i.e.,
through descent from his/her parents, or jus soli, i.e., through place of
birth.
3. As a general rule, a child born to a German citizen parent
automatically acquires German citizenship at birth through jus sanguinis,
regardless of the place of birth. There are exceptions under present law,
however, and have been many in the past. For more information about how
German citizenship may be transmitted by a German parent, please contact
your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt, in some parts of
Germany).
4. As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to non-German parents
automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli if: (1) at
least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least eight years prior
to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a permanent
residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for the three years
prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). *Note that: *
- The child must choose between German nationality and the nationality
of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, unless
it is legally
impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents' nationality, in which
case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual
nationality before
turning 21.
- Special rules apply to children born between February 2, 1990, and
December 31, 1999, who have until December 31, 2000, to apply for German
citizenship.
- Those born in Germany to non-German parents before February 2, 1990,
have no claim to German citizenship under this law.
- For more information, please contact your local
Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde or the nearest office of the Ausländerbeirat
(Foreigners Advisory Council).
5. A person can become a German citizen at some time after his/her birth
through the Einbürgerung (German naturalization) process, i.e., by applying
for German citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. One
requirement is the formal renunciation of all other nationalities, unless
legally impossible under the laws of the applicant's home country. For more
information about German naturalization process, please contact your local
Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt in some parts of Germany) or the
nearest Ausländerbeirat.
6. A child under age 18 adopted by a German citizen automatically becomes
a German citizen as of the time of the adoption.
7. A German citizen has no right to renounce his/her German citizenship
but generally is allowed to do so, so long as he/she does not become
stateless as a result. While there are exceptions, as a general rule a
German citizen may not give up citizenship to avoid an obligation of that
citizenship, e.g., military service. For more information about loss of
German citizenship, please contact your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde
(or Standesamt).
III. American-German Dual Nationality
1. Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of multiple
nationality.
2. A child born to an American parent and a German parent acquires both
American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place of birth, if
the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements of their
respective countries. See the sections above entitled, "Basic Primer on
American Citizenship Law," and "Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law."
Neither country requires a person born under these circumstances to choose
between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep both
citizenships his/her entire life.
3. A child born in Germany to two American parents may also become a dual
national at birth under the circumstances described in paragraph 4 in the
section above entitled, "Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law." Under
German law, he/she would have to choose between American and German
citizenship before turning 23.
4. Under German law, a person may not have more than one citizenship
unless he/she was born with both, as described in paragraphs 2 and 3 above.
Thus, German law requires an American who becomes a German citizen through
the Einbürgerung process (see paragraph 5 in the section entitled, "Basic
Primer on German Citizenship Law") to formally renounce his/her American
citizenship, and a German who becomes an American citizen (see paragraph 5
in the section entitled, "Basic Primer on American Citizenship Law") to give
up his/her German citizenship.
5. While Germany recognizes the concept of dual nationality, for most
purposes it considers a dual national in Germany a German citizen only.
Thus, the ability of the U.S. Embassy and consulates to provide assistance
to an American-German dual national in Germany may be limited. The reverse
is true in the U.S., where such a person is considered only American for
most purposes, and where the German Embassy or consulates may be able to
offer only limited assistance. For more information, please contact the
Embassy or your nearest consulate.
IV. The Responsibilities of Citizenship
1. *Along with the rights and privileges of a citizenship come certain
responsibilities. For example: *
- *All American-German dual nationals must enter the United States
with a valid U.S. passport; to enter with only a German passport or
Kinderausweis is a violation of U.S. law. *
- *Depending on the laws in effect, level of income, source of income,
etc., an American-German dual national may owe taxes in both
countries. All
dual nationals must report all worldwide income by filing an annual U.S.
income tax return, regardless of whether they owe taxes to the
U.S. or pay
taxes elsewhere. For more information about taxes, please
contact your local
German tax office or the: *
*U.S. Consulate General Frankfurt
Internal Revenue Service
Giessener Str. 30
60435 Frankfurt/Main
*
- *An American-German male dual national must register with the U.S.
Selective Service System within three months of his eighteenth birthday;
that he is also a German citizen does not exempt him from that
requirement.
Registering with the Selective Service System, however, has no
effect on his
German citizenship. *
- *An American-German dual national is not exempt from German military
service simply because he also has U.S. citizenship. However,
service in the
German military, at least under these limited circumstances, has
no effect
on his U.S. citizenship. *
2. For more information about these and other responsibilities of
citizenship, please contact the Embassy, your nearest consulate, or your
local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt).
http://germany.usembassy.gov/acs/dual_nationality.html
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> If you acquire US Citizenship, you lose your German citizenship. Do
> you want to research this on the internet or just flat out claim I'm
> wrong and have me make a fool of you again?
>
> On Aug 3, 1:12 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Want a copy of my passports ?? The only case the US does not recognize
> > is if it is necessary to take an "oath" to acquire other citizenships.
> > Anyone born of US parents abroad has dual citizenship, anyone born of
> > foreign parents on US soil has dual citizenship. Most nations
> > (including the US) simply do not allow a "citizen" to enter or leave
> > their borders using a foreign passport... you must carry all passports
> > when travelling.
> >
> > Zeb.... please show me the "law" that says otherwise. I live in and
> > have a passport from CR. the last time I travelled to the US I used my
> > CR passport to leave CR and my US passport to enter the US.... I was
> > asked about the missing exit stamp in my US passport and simply showed
> > them my CR passport... teh agentb stamped my passport (US) and said
> > "welcome home" to which I replied ' No, My home is CR and I'm simply
> > visiting friends' To which he then replied ' have a nice vacation in
> > the US.'
> >
> > Please explain this, I was awarded CR citizenship, I was born with
> > German and US citizenship. please explain the illegality of this to
> > me....
> >
> > Page 4-5 under "WHILE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY Section "8" of my US
> > passport says
> >
> > "Loss of US Citizenship: Under certain circumstances, you may lose
> > your US citizenship by performing, voluntarily and with the intention
> > to relinquish US citizenship, any of the following acts; (1) being
> > naturalized in a foreign state, (2) taking an oath or making a
> > declaration to a foreign state; (3) serving in the armed forces of a
> > foreign state; (4) accepting employment with a foreign government; or,
> > formally renouncing US citizenship before a US consular officer
> > overseas.
> >
> > Section "9" goes on to explain that as a dual citizen I may forfiet my
> > rights to US consular assistence while in my "other" country etc.
> >
> > Since as a youth I served in both the US Navy and after that in the
> > German Army (volunteer US, obligatory Deutshland) and had no
> > "intention" to relinquish either citizenship, and since BOTH knew of
> > the other (I was a Nuclear Machinist Mate in the US service with a "Q"
> > clearance) I was seriously "vetted"... all nice and legal.
> >
> > Zeb, once again you speak from the lower rear mouth.
> >
> > On Aug 2, 9:58 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > No we don't.
> >
> > > On Aug 2, 7:22 pm, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Ummmm silverbelle..... THAT is NOT correct. I am a Triple
> citizen.....
> > > > and the US recognizes me.
> >
> > > > On Aug 2, 3:24 pm, sILVER bELLE <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > > > The United States does NOT recognize 'duel citizen ship' ....
> >
> > > > > Barry WHO???
> >
> > > > > sILVER bELLE
> >
> > > > > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:12:47 -0700
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Soetoro Family Photo 1970...
> > > > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> >
> > > > > > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > > > > > Can you or anyone else tell me what the symbol on
> the
> > > > > > medallion around Barry Soetoro's neck means or is?
> >
> > > > > >
> ****************************************************************************************************************************************
> >
> > > > > > On Aug 2, 2:13 pm, Bruce Majors <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > > > Soetoro Family Photo 1970...
> >
> > > > > > > Meet the Soetoros
> >
> > > > > > > Indonesia
> >
> > > > > > > L to R, Lolo Soetoro, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, baby Maya
> Soetoro, and 9
> > > > > > > year old Barry Soetoro (AKA Barack Hussein Obama - President of
> The
> > > > > > > United States
> > > > > > > of America)
> > > > > > > Somebody help me out here. If our Constitution states that
> dual citizens
> > > > > > > are not eligible to serve as president, how did Barry get
> around this little
> > > > > > > detail?
> >
> > > > > > > This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by
> the
> > > > > > > Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the
> registration of
> > > > > > > Barack Obama under he name Barry Soetoro made by his
> step-father, Lolo
> > > > > > > Soetoro.
> > > > > > > Name: Barry Soetoro
> > > > > > > Religion: Islam
> > > > > > > Nationality: Indonesian
> >
> > > > > > > P.S. Where is Maya?
> >
> > > > > > > ------------------------------
> >
> > > > > > > image002.jpg
> > > > > > > 139KViewDownload
> >
> > > > > > > image001.jpg
> > > > > > > 191KViewDownload
> >
> > > > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Get your vacation photos on your phone!
> http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809T...text-
> >
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