I'll have to turn in my daughters US passport as well ?? They must have issued that fraudulently as well. Sighghgh.......
Does that mean my daughter will also have to surrender her CR and German passports too?? Tell me wise one. give me another exclusion... On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > Read my other post, poser. > > On Aug 3, 9:15 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > No, I do not have a problem which is why I specifically pointed out > section > > IV which as a sumation of the other sections as a whole settles the > dispute > > quite clearly. > > \ > > Reading comprehension seems to be your only problem. As to posting a lot > of > > shit... I posted that which covers all possible contingencies so nothing > > COULD be out of context. Yet you avert your eyes to and mention only that > > which "kinda maybe" supports your off base and untrue contention... it is > > called cherry picking and had nothing to do withy an honest or complete > > answer. > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I'm quoting from YOUR post. Got a problem with it? Perhaps you should > > > read it first instead of just posting so much shit that you hope the > > > other person will give up. > > > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the 80's. I > was > > > born > > > > long before that. > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > children > > > born > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate because > > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You are > > > indeed > > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an oath... > it > > > did > > > > > not > > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed > > > links.... > > > > > this > > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up. > > > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth and > > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual Nationality I. > > > Basic > > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two ways: > by > > > > > birth > > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, > i.e., > > > > > through > > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent from > > > his/her > > > > > > parents. > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > > children > > > > > born > > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., a > > > person > > > > > born in > > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. > Virgin > > > > > Islands is > > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus soli, > > > > > regardless of > > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the Embassy > or > > > your > > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or > > > territories to > > > > > an > > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through jus > > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of > transmission > > > of > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS website > or > > > > > contact the > > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some time > > > after > > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by > > > applying > > > > > for U.S. > > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > Normally, > > > > > he/she must > > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period > before > > > > > becoming > > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to > citizenship, > > > the > > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise to > obey > > > the > > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information about > > > > > naturalization, > > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, > > > > > Consulate > > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am Main, > > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on > naturalization. > > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically > become an > > > > > > American citizen. For more information about the > naturalization of > > > > > adopted > > > > > > children, please contact the Immigration and Naturalization > > > Service at > > > > > the > > > > > > address, telephone numbers, and/or web site in paragraph 5 > above. > > > > > > 7. Americans have a right under U.S. law to renounce their > U.S. > > > > > > citizenship in a consulate abroad. For more information on > loss of > > > > > U.S. > > > > > > citizenship, please contact the Embassy or your nearest > consulate. > > > > > > > > II. Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law > > > > > > > > 1. A person can become a German citizen in one of three ways: > by > > > > > birth, > > > > > > by adoption as a minor, or by naturalization. > > > > > > 2. A person may be born a German citizen by either jus > sanguinis, > > > > > i.e., > > > > > > through descent from his/her parents, or jus soli, i.e., > through > > > place > > > > > of > > > > > > birth. > > > > > > 3. As a general rule, a child born to a German citizen parent > > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth through jus > > > > > sanguinis, > > > > > > regardless of the place of birth. There are exceptions under > > > present > > > > > law, > > > > > > however, and have been many in the past. For more information > > > about > > > > > how > > > > > > German citizenship may be transmitted by a German parent, > please > > > > > contact > > > > > > your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt, in some > > > parts > > > > > of > > > > > > Germany). > > > > > > 4. As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to > non-German > > > > > parents > > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli > if: > > > (1) > > > > > at > > > > > > least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least > eight > > > years > > > > > prior > > > > > > to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a > > > > > permanent > > > > > > residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for > the > > > three > > > > > years > > > > > > prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). > *Note > > > that: > > > > > * > > > > > > - The child must choose between German nationality and the > > > > > nationality > > > > > > of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, > unless > > > > > > it is legally > > > > > > impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents' > nationality, > > > in > > > > > which > > > > > > case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual > > > > > > nationality before > > > > > > turning 21. > > > > > > - Special rules apply to children born between February 2, > > > 1990, > > > > > and > > > > > > December 31, 1999, who have until December 31, 2000, to > apply > > > for > > > > > German > > > > > > citizenship. > > > > > > - Those born in Germany to non-German parents before > February > > > 2, > > > > > 1990, > > > > > > have no claim to German citizenship under this law. > > > > > > - For more information, please contact your local > > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde or the nearest office of the > > > > > Ausländerbeirat > > > > > > (Foreigners Advisory Council). > > > > > > 5. A person can become a German citizen at some time after > his/her > > > > > birth > > > > > > through the Einbürgerung (German naturalization) process, > i.e., by > > > > > applying > > > > > > for German citizenship and satisfying certain legal > requirements. > > > One > > > > > > requirement is the formal renunciation of all other > nationalities, > > > > > unless > > > > > > legally impossible under the laws of the applicant's home > country. > > > For > > > > > more > > > > > > information about German naturalization process, please > contact > > > your > > > > > local > > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt in some parts of > > > Germany) > > > > > or the > > > > > > nearest Ausländerbeirat. > > > > > > 6. A child under age 18 adopted by a German citizen > automatically > > > > > becomes > > > > > > a German citizen as of the time of the adoption. > > > > > > 7. A German citizen has no right to renounce his/her German > > > > > citizenship > > > > > > but generally is allowed to do so, so long as he/she does not > > > become > > > > > > stateless as a result. While there are exceptions, as a > general > > > rule a > > > > > > German citizen may not give up citizenship to avoid an > obligation > > > of > > > > > that > > > > > > citizenship, e.g., military service. For more information > about > > > loss > > > > > of > > > > > > German citizenship, please contact your local > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde > > > > > > (or Standesamt). > > > > > > > > III. American-German Dual Nationality > > > > > > > > 1. Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of > > > > > multiple > > > > > > nationality. > > > > > > 2. A child born to an American parent and a German parent > acquires > > > > > both > > > > > > American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place > of > > > > > birth, if > > > > > > the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements > of > > > > > their > > > > > > respective countries. See the sections above entitled, "Basic > > > Primer > > > > > on > > > > > > American Citizenship Law," and "Basic Primer on German > Citizenship > > > > > Law." > > > > > > Neither country requires a person born under these > circumstances > > > to > > > > > choose > > > > > > between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep > > > both > > > > > > citizenships his/her entire life. > > > > > > 3. A child born in Germany to two American parents may also > become > > > a > > > > > dual > > > > > > national at birth under the circumstances described in > paragraph 4 > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > section above entitled, "Basic Primer on German Citizenship > Law." > > > > > Under > > > > > > German law, he/she would have to choose between American and > > > German > > > > > > citizenship before turning > > > > ... > > > > read more » > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
