Read my other post, poser. On Aug 3, 9:15 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > No, I do not have a problem which is why I specifically pointed out section > IV which as a sumation of the other sections as a whole settles the dispute > quite clearly. > \ > Reading comprehension seems to be your only problem. As to posting a lot of > shit... I posted that which covers all possible contingencies so nothing > COULD be out of context. Yet you avert your eyes to and mention only that > which "kinda maybe" supports your off base and untrue contention... it is > called cherry picking and had nothing to do withy an honest or complete > answer. > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I'm quoting from YOUR post. Got a problem with it? Perhaps you should > > read it first instead of just posting so much shit that you hope the > > other person will give up. > > > On Aug 3, 8:39 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > You keep quoting exclusions that have been placed since the 80's. I was > > born > > > long before that. > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with children > > born > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S > > > > > That would be YOU. Or were you born at the German Consulate because > > > > your mom was at a cocktail party there at the time? > > > > > On Aug 3, 4:57 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I did not "acquire" either, both were inherent at birth. You are > > indeed > > > > > wrong. I did acquire CR citizenship but without taking an oath... it > > did > > > > not > > > > > effect my prior citizenships at all. Now as to your supposed > > links.... > > > > this > > > > > is from the US Embassy in Frankfort., Section IV sums it up. > > > > > > U.S. Citizen Services in Germany Passports, Reports of Birth and > > > > > Renunciations U.S. and German Citizenship and Dual Nationality I. > > Basic > > > > > Primer on American Citizenship Law > > > > > > 1. A person can become an American citizen in one of two ways: by > > > > birth > > > > > or by naturalization. > > > > > 2. A person may be born a U.S. citizen by either jus soli, i.e., > > > > through > > > > > place of birth, or jus sanguinis, i.e., through descent from > > his/her > > > > > parents. > > > > > 3. With very few exceptions, most of which have to do with > > children > > > > born > > > > > to foreign government officials on assignment to the U.S., a > > person > > > > born in > > > > > any of the fifty states, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin > > > > Islands is > > > > > an American citizen at birth under the principle of jus soli, > > > > regardless of > > > > > the nationality of his/her parents. Please contact the Embassy or > > your > > > > > nearest consulate for more information. > > > > > 4. A person born outside the U.S. or its possessions or > > territories to > > > > an > > > > > American parent may acquire citizenship at birth through jus > > > > sanguinis. For > > > > > additional information about the complicated issue of transmission > > of > > > > U.S. > > > > > citizenship by jus sanguinis, please visit the USCIS website or > > > > contact the > > > > > Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > 5. A non-American can become an American citizen at some time > > after > > > > > his/her birth through the naturalization process, i.e., by > > applying > > > > for U.S. > > > > > citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. Normally, > > > > he/she must > > > > > have resided legally in the U.S. for a considerable period before > > > > becoming > > > > > eligible for naturalization. Before being admitted to citizenship, > > the > > > > > applicant must give up any foreign allegiance and promise to obey > > the > > > > > Constitution and laws of the U.S. For more information about > > > > naturalization, > > > > > please contact the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, > > > > Consulate > > > > > General Frankfurt, Gießener Str. 30, 60435 Frankfurt am Main, > > > > 069-7535-2233, > > > > > -2243, or -2298, or visit the USCIS web page on naturalization. > > > > > 6. A child adopted by an American does not automatically become an > > > > > American citizen. For more information about the naturalization of > > > > adopted > > > > > children, please contact the Immigration and Naturalization > > Service at > > > > the > > > > > address, telephone numbers, and/or web site in paragraph 5 above. > > > > > 7. Americans have a right under U.S. law to renounce their U.S. > > > > > citizenship in a consulate abroad. For more information on loss of > > > > U.S. > > > > > citizenship, please contact the Embassy or your nearest consulate. > > > > > > II. Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law > > > > > > 1. A person can become a German citizen in one of three ways: by > > > > birth, > > > > > by adoption as a minor, or by naturalization. > > > > > 2. A person may be born a German citizen by either jus sanguinis, > > > > i.e., > > > > > through descent from his/her parents, or jus soli, i.e., through > > place > > > > of > > > > > birth. > > > > > 3. As a general rule, a child born to a German citizen parent > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth through jus > > > > sanguinis, > > > > > regardless of the place of birth. There are exceptions under > > present > > > > law, > > > > > however, and have been many in the past. For more information > > about > > > > how > > > > > German citizenship may be transmitted by a German parent, please > > > > contact > > > > > your local Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt, in some > > parts > > > > of > > > > > Germany). > > > > > 4. As of January 1, 2000, a child born in Germany to non-German > > > > parents > > > > > automatically acquires German citizenship at birth by jus soli if: > > (1) > > > > at > > > > > least one parent had lived legally in Germany for at least eight > > years > > > > prior > > > > > to the birth; (2) at the time of the birth, that parent had a > > > > permanent > > > > > residence permit (either an Aufenthaltsberichtigung or, for the > > three > > > > years > > > > > prior to the birth, an unbefristete Aufenhaltserlaubnis). *Note > > that: > > > > * > > > > > - The child must choose between German nationality and the > > > > nationality > > > > > of his/her parents before he/she turns 23 years of age, unless > > > > > it is legally > > > > > impossible for him/her to give up his/her parents' nationality, > > in > > > > which > > > > > case he/she must apply to the German authorities for dual > > > > > nationality before > > > > > turning 21. > > > > > - Special rules apply to children born between February 2, > > 1990, > > > > and > > > > > December 31, 1999, who have until December 31, 2000, to apply > > for > > > > German > > > > > citizenship. > > > > > - Those born in Germany to non-German parents before February > > 2, > > > > 1990, > > > > > have no claim to German citizenship under this law. > > > > > - For more information, please contact your local > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde or the nearest office of the > > > > Ausländerbeirat > > > > > (Foreigners Advisory Council). > > > > > 5. A person can become a German citizen at some time after his/her > > > > birth > > > > > through the Einbürgerung (German naturalization) process, i.e., by > > > > applying > > > > > for German citizenship and satisfying certain legal requirements. > > One > > > > > requirement is the formal renunciation of all other nationalities, > > > > unless > > > > > legally impossible under the laws of the applicant's home country. > > For > > > > more > > > > > information about German naturalization process, please contact > > your > > > > local > > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde (or Standesamt in some parts of > > Germany) > > > > or the > > > > > nearest Ausländerbeirat. > > > > > 6. A child under age 18 adopted by a German citizen automatically > > > > becomes > > > > > a German citizen as of the time of the adoption. > > > > > 7. A German citizen has no right to renounce his/her German > > > > citizenship > > > > > but generally is allowed to do so, so long as he/she does not > > become > > > > > stateless as a result. While there are exceptions, as a general > > rule a > > > > > German citizen may not give up citizenship to avoid an obligation > > of > > > > that > > > > > citizenship, e.g., military service. For more information about > > loss > > > > of > > > > > German citizenship, please contact your local > > > > Staatsangehörigkeitsbehörde > > > > > (or Standesamt). > > > > > > III. American-German Dual Nationality > > > > > > 1. Both the United States and Germany recognize the concept of > > > > multiple > > > > > nationality. > > > > > 2. A child born to an American parent and a German parent acquires > > > > both > > > > > American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place of > > > > birth, if > > > > > the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements of > > > > their > > > > > respective countries. See the sections above entitled, "Basic > > Primer > > > > on > > > > > American Citizenship Law," and "Basic Primer on German Citizenship > > > > Law." > > > > > Neither country requires a person born under these circumstances > > to > > > > choose > > > > > between American and German citizenship, i.e., he/she may keep > > both > > > > > citizenships his/her entire life. > > > > > 3. A child born in Germany to two American parents may also become > > a > > > > dual > > > > > national at birth under the circumstances described in paragraph 4 > > in > > > > the > > > > > section above entitled, "Basic Primer on German Citizenship Law." > > > > Under > > > > > German law, he/she would have to choose between American and > > German > > > > > citizenship before turning > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum
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