Hollywood, So the buyer who trades in a 'clunker' wins; the auto dealers get more business and win; car manufacturers and their employees win; the auto suppliers and their employee win; everybody wins….. except me.
I don't have a clunker that qualifies, so as usual, I qualify to pay for a government program, but I don't qualify to receive from it. I'm also thinking there's something fundamentally wrong when the government assumes majority control of a company via my tax dollars, and then drives that company's sales up by giving more of my tax dollars to others so they can purchase products from the company the government just 'bought'. On Aug 4, 4:01 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > dick, > > What happens when car dealers can sell more cars than they would have > w/o the "clunker" program? They keep their doors open and move > inventory. > What happens when car dealers move more inventory? Maybe car > manufacturers can stay open and/or nit have to lay off people. > What happens when car manufacturers stay open and/or keep up > production? The thousands of companies that supply these car > manufacturers mabybe stay open and/or don't have to lay off more > people. > > On Aug 4, 1:55 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > What can be parted out? They put sodium silicate in the block which > > destroys the mechanicals totally. You might get some body parts but no > > engine parts. The answer is the US taxpayer takes it in the ass on both > > sides of the deal at once. Aren't you glad the vote last fall went the > > way it did. The country is in the best of hands, so they say. > > > Mark wrote: > > > Will the government owned(?) gas guzzlers that are traded in actually > > > be crushed or will they be sold out of country at a profit ?? > > > > If they are crushed who gets the salvage money, if they are > > > partsed out who gets the dough, if they are sold who gets that > > > money... or does the US taxpayer simply take it in the ass on both > > > sides of the deal once again. > > > > Any of the three represents substantial cash. > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Sage2 <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Doc, > > > > You and VT should take the advice of Senator Schumer ( D-NY ) > > > who said of the cash for clunkers program " don't fix what ain't broke > > > " . Health Care ain't broken , it just needs a little adjustment, but > > > guys like Obama and his ilk want to crush it ! > > > > > > > ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > > > On Aug 4, 1:00 pm, DOC828NDF <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > Hmm.... I would love to agree with you, but the Republicans may be > > > > onto something when they say "what's the rush"... I mean, for > > > > example... What if we were to rush into a war without thinking it > > > > through? No diplomacy, and no planning... What if something goes > > > wrong > > > > and its not as easy as we initially thought? Do we really have aan > > > > exit strategy? We need to take some time to think this thing > > > through. > > > > After all, its not like anyone's dying for healthcare > > > > > On Aug 3, 3:58 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected] > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > Health Care Reform is NEEDED NOW! > > > > > The Republican party is becoming the party of hatred and the > > > > > destruction of the American dream. > > > > > > Sean Lewis > > > > > August 3, 2009 > > > > > > 1) Minimal basic coverage for the unemployed and uninsured. > > > > > > 2) Preventative care to lower future costs > > > > > > 3) Restructure Medicare and Medicaid so they don't go bankrupt. > > > > > > Who could possibly be against this reform? > > > > > > Republicans! > > > > > > Republicans had control of the last 8 years of the > > > > > US political system, with Bush having veto > > > > > power for all eight and the GOP control of the > > > > > Congress for 6 years. The result was the almost > > > > > complete destruction of the US economy. > > > > > > The country was on the brink of complete collapse > > > > > the last quarter of the Bush Administration. An > > > > > Administration and party that was in complete > > > > > denial there was a problem with the economy. > > > > > > It was with the last minute infusion of over $1 Trillion > > > > > in a single quarter that saved the country from another > > > > > Depression type collapse. > > > > > > When economic pollicies almost end in complete > > > > > collapse, in my book that means FAILURE! Why > > > > > take advice from people who almost detroyed the > > > > > very thing America needed to stay strong? > > > > > > The effects are still being felt 3 quarters later, however > > > > > we have steered away from the edge by NEW Democratic > > > > > Leadership. > > > > > > There is no longer talk of the US facing economic collapse, > > > > > in fact there is talk of a stock market BULL rally. > > > > > > Yet Republicans are using everything in their political > > > > > arsenal to stop the Democrats and the Country itself > > > > > from succeeding. > > > > > > The lunatic fringe of the GOP are using lies, scare tactics, > > > > > hatred and race baiting to focus the attention of the country > > > > > away from healing and recovery to more of the same of the last > > > > > 8 years. Division, strife, class warfare and most recently > > > > > racism. > > > > > > The latest obstruction to US recovery is healthcare reform. > > > > > > Under the Bush Administration more people have entered the > > > > > uninsured rolls, the costs associated with the Social Programs > > > > > of Medicare, Medicaid have risen unchecked and even increased > > > > > due to the one 'FIX' Republicans attempted, the Medicare > > > Prescription > > > > > Drug program that did not help anyone who was not insured and > > > > > cost $850 Billion a year at it's inception, this figure > > > > > will climb as the Baby boomers retire all to give Viagra to the > > > > > pension > > > > > crowd. > > > > > > The Republicans rather than fixing the healthcare system actually > > > > > have hurried up it's demise. Because of what the Republicans have > > > > > done, > > > > > Medicare and Medicaid will go bankrupt FASTER and the Baby Boomers > > > > > will be left with FEWER options if any! > > > > > > The Democrats are trying to fix this with reform in the form > > > > > of preventative care, which will lower FUTURE costs of medical > > > care. > > > > > > Costs control by forcing the insurance and drug companies to offer > > > > > lower priced care through competition. > > > > > > Finally actually offering Minimal low cost coverage for the > > > uninsured > > > > > and unemployed! > > > > > > Without these changes the fate of Healthcare will be similar > > > to the > > > > > collapse of the economy in the fall of 2008! > > > > > > So the GOP is using scare tactics similar to the tactics to get > > > > > this country into war with Iraq. Scare Tactics based on lies, half > > > > > truths > > > > > and misinformation. > > > > > > The GOP is using their shock troops who still believe that > > > President > > > > > Obama > > > > > was not born in the US despite overwhelming evidence to the > > > contrary! > > > > > > These individuals are now using the same Birther reasoning to > > > shout > > > > > abuse at town halls in an attempt to show Congress that America is > > > > > against Health care reform. > > > > > > These are the same people who thought.... > > > > > > There were WMD's. > > > > > > Terri Schiavo was not brain dead. > > > > > > The was a connection between Iraq and 9/11. > > > > > > Al qaeda was in Iraq before the Iraq Invasion. > > > > > > Spying on Americans without a warrant is not against the law. > > > > > > The White House was not responsible for the Treasonous release > > > > > of a covert CIA Operatives identity. > > > > > > The US not tortured Iraqis, some to death, and if they did it > > > was to > > > > > protect > > > > > Americans, not to find a connection between Iraq and 9/11. > > > > > > Bush did protect Americans from the 9/11 attack > > > > > even after ignoring several dozen warnings of a pending attack. > > > > > > I can go on and on , but lets skip to the latest lunatic fringe > > > > > far right conspiracy which once again ignores the truth and the > > > > > facts to tell the LIE, Obama is not an Native born American. > > > > > The facts, a certified birth certificate and birth announcements > > > > > in local papers announcing Obama's birth seem not to matter > > > > > to the hate driven core racist of the GOP, the fools who believe > > > > > ignorance trumps intelligence, and incompetence arrogance and > > > > > ignorance are forgivable even if it costs American lives > > > > > > These are the people now giving advice on the Health Care > > > solution! > > > > > > Enough is enough! > > > > > > If you want failure as we had the last 8 years, listen to > > > Republicans, > > > > > > If you want the continued slow recovery and a future! Listen > > > to the > > > > > President and the Democrats!- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > -- > > > Mark M. Kahle, , > > > www.filacoffee.com<http://www.filacoffee.com>- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
