Zeb, Better. That's TWO examples from TWO conservative talk show hosts in EIGHT years. STILL not impressed.
On Aug 5, 3:56 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > I only pointed out Savage because he not only criticized Bush, but > called him the worst. Even Hannity raged at Bush's refusal to veto ANY > spending bill. > > On Aug 5, 4:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > You haven't yet noticed a difference between what politicians SAY and > > what they DO? Ronald Reagan hasn't been President in over 20 years > > BTW. Bush was excoriated by conservative Republicans for 8 yeras for > > not vetoing any spending bills? By people here? Am I talking to > > unidentified "Talk Shows" or am I talking to the people here? > > Mike Savage? One that's ONE examople by ONE conservative talk show > > host in EIGHT years. > > I'm not impressed. > > > On Aug 5, 11:52 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > What the hell are you talking about Holly? There is no "sudden" > > > disdain for government by Republicans. Reagan said famously > > > "Government doesn't solve the problem, government IS the problem." > > > Bush was excoriated for 8 years on talk radio for not vetoing any > > > spending bills. I believe Michael Savage said W was the worst > > > president he'd ever experienced. And I don't give a damn what color > > > Barry is. His attempts to give more and more power to government is > > > DANGEROUS and inevitably RUINOUS! > > > > On Aug 5, 12:38 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > How come all you conservatives just suddenly grew a pair of cajones > > > > over the past six months? This has been going on for a 100 plus > > > > fucking years and you boys only notice NOW? WTF, someone expalin this > > > > to me. C'mon what is it REALLY? > > > > You'll take a fucking from govt. led by a white man but not a govt. > > > > led by a black one? What? > > > > > It's NEWS to you boys govt. wastes money? > > > > > On Aug 5, 11:26 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > >Do you not understand the govt. is pretty much going to spend your > > > > > >>money any fucking way it pleases and that it has pretty much > > > > > >>always been that way? > > > > > > Thats why we have to fight, at every juncture, the ways the government > > > > > CAN spend our money. They SUCK at it. They waste it. They buy loyalty > > > > > and votes with it. I'm not against universal health care. Even single > > > > > payer. But NOT run by the government. They are the worst, the absolute > > > > > WORST at running things. > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:14 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > You are absolutely nuts if you think I'm going to sit here all day > > > > > > and > > > > > > discuss what is fair or not, what is stealing and what is not. If > > > > > > that is NOT the point then don't ask me what I'd do if the govt. > > > > > > came > > > > > > to steal my house. You do not seem to understand the concept of > > > > > > proportion, or balance or even the common sense of choosing one > > > > > > fights > > > > > > carefully. > > > > > > It's like this, I believe I have a right to defend my life and > > > > > > property. Ok? Regarding proportional response, am I going to kill a > > > > > > person if he comes into my home and steals my microwave and TV? NO, > > > > > > that's just stuff and is insured anyway, a human life is more > > > > > > valuable. If that same person approaches me with a weapon during the > > > > > > very same incident? Yep, going to blow his head off with my > > > > > > Mossberg. > > > > > > I value MY life more than His. proportional response. > > > > > > Where did you sign up to pay for the invasion of Iraq? Do you not > > > > > > understand the govt. is pretty much going to spend your money any > > > > > > fucking way it pleases and that it has pretty much always been that > > > > > > way? What is it with you people wanting to pretend the Federal Govt. > > > > > > and all it's faults was just invented 6 months ago? Are you all > > > > > > crazy? > > > > > > > I'll draw MY line where I need to, you draws yours as you see fit. > > > > > > Don't tell me where to draw MY line. > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 10:27 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hell yeah, and you know... I'm going to be by your side > > > > > > > supporting and > > > > > > > cheering you on the entire way. > > > > > > > > But isn't that the point; the idea of 'stealing' from you that > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > is yours so that it can be given to others without your approval > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > UNacceptable and you will defend it. Sometimes we just can't > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > our Dad's advice about acceptance. > > > > > > > > So why do you feel it's acceptable to defend your property (your > > > > > > > home) > > > > > > > from being unfairly taken yet I must accept my property (my > > > > > > > income) > > > > > > > being taken unfairly? Where are you drawing the line? You can > > > > > > > make a > > > > > > > case I have a moral obligation to pay taxes that will help the > > > > > > > needy > > > > > > > with food, housing and health care, and I can accept that. But > > > > > > > where > > > > > > > did I ever sign up to start bailing out companies that can't run > > > > > > > competitively? Where did I ever sign up to start helping my > > > > > > > neighbors > > > > > > > buy new cars? In my opinion our Government has crossed WAY over > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > line and I am no longer willing to simply accept it as unfair. > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 10:30 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > Any city, state or federal govt. employee that shows up to take > > > > > > > > my > > > > > > > > home from me without due cause is going to get shot right > > > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > > eyes. > > > > > > > > > Now, is THAT direct and simple enough for you to understand? > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:31 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea but then, that's not what I said. > > > > > > > > > > The point I made was; > > > > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help buy itself a > > > > > > > > > majority shares > > > > > > > > > in GM. I don't benefit from this and I'm sure you'd say "life > > > > > > > > > isn't > > > > > > > > > fair" > > > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help hand out up to > > > > > > > > > $4500 to > > > > > > > > > people who own 'clunkers'. I don't benefit from this and have > > > > > > > > > to pay > > > > > > > > > full price for a car. You say "life isn't fair" > > > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help hand out TAP money > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > college students. My daughter doesn't qualify and have to pay > > > > > > > > > her full > > > > > > > > > tuition out of pocket. I'm sure you'd say "life isn't fair". > > > > > > > > > (this > > > > > > > > > was a new point, I was on a roll). > > > > > > > > > > So I throw at you an admittedly inflated but definitely > > > > > > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > > with the theme scenario; > > > > > > > > > > Government steps in and takes away your home to help fund low > > > > > > > > > income > > > > > > > > > housing. You don't qualify so must pay full price for a new > > > > > > > > > home. I > > > > > > > > > say "life isn't fair". > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree that it's all just a matter of life being unfair > > > > > > > > > or would > > > > > > > > > you feel compelled to rise up and stop what government was > > > > > > > > > doing? > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 11:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > Who's having cars taken away from them by the govt.? > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:58 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > I too learned that lesson at an early age, but there are > > > > > > > > > > > limits to my > > > > > > > > > > > acceptance. I'm willing to bet that if the government > > > > > > > > > > > decided they > > > > > > > > > > > were going to step in and take away your home you would > > > > > > > > > > > not simply > > > > > > > > > > > stand by and think "damn, this is rather unfair.... but > > > > > > > > > > > OK". > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 6:30 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankg.. > > > > > > > > > > > > My late father once told me that life is not always > > > > > > > > > > > > fair. i was simply > > > > > > > > > > > > crushed by that notion. Of course i was only six years > > > > > > > > > > > > old at the > > > > > > > > > > > > time. At age 60 I've learned a level of acceptance. I'd > > > > > > > > > > > > like to > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest you do the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:26 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the buyer who trades in a 'clunker' wins; the auto > > > > > > > > > > > > > dealers get more > > > > > > > > > > > > > business and win; car manufacturers and their > > > > > > > > > > > > > employees win; the auto > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppliers and their employee win; everybody wins….. > > > > > > > > > > > > > except me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a clunker that qualifies, so as usual, I > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualify to pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a government program, but I don't qualify to > > > > > > > > > > > > > receive from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also thinking there's something fundamentally > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong when the > > > > > > > > > > > > > government assumes majority control of a company via > > > > > > > > > > > > > my tax dollars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then drives that company's sales up by giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > more of my tax > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollars to others so they can purchase products from > > > > > > > > > > > > > the company the > > > > > > > > > > > > > government just 'bought'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 4:01 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dick, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when car dealers can sell more cars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than they would have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > w/o the "clunker" program? They keep their doors > > > > > > > > > > > > > > open and move > > > > > > > > > > > > > > inventory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when car dealers move more inventory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe car > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers can stay open and/or nit have to lay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > off people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when car manufacturers stay open > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and/or keep up > > > > > > > > > > > > > > production? The thousands of companies that supply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these car > > > > > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers mabybe stay open and/or don't have to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lay off more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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