dick, Like I said, sometimes life just isn't fair.
On Aug 4, 5:33 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > We are already talking about thousands of usable cars that were > driveable and insurable. This gets rid of that many to start. Puts a > big dent in a market that could use reliable used cars for people who > can't take out loans for new cars. Not babbling at all. > > > > Hollywood wrote: > > dick, > > > What the hell are you babbling about? > > WHO is "taking away cars" frompeople that need them the most? Anyone > > forcing someone to trade in their clunkers? You think EVERYONE is > > going to trade in their clunkers and eliminate the market for cheap > > used cars? > > > On Aug 4, 3:14 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> You have all these people who are unemployed or have low paying jobs. > >> How do they get around unless they live in the major cities. Tell me > >> all about the transportation out in the country. You are effectively > >> taking the cars away from the people who most need them and you claim > >> this is going to create a lot of jobs. How are you going to create jobs > >> people can't get to? The other reason was to get rid of cars with high > >> emissions. When you look at the emissions created in building cars and > >> in destroying these cars - first with the sodium silicate and then with > >> crushing them. Where are you going to put these junk cars now and how > >> are you going to recycle them - and where are you going to recycle them. > > >> Why are you paying for these junkers when the people who turn them in > >> would have bought cars anyway. Total waste of money that will raise > >> your taxes (remember not going to raise taxes on the middle class? - > >> where else are you going to get the money for this boondoggle). > > >> And where are you going to get the new cars anyway. think they will be > >> built in this country with the union contracts here? Doubt it. > > >> Hollywood wrote: > > >>> dick, > > >>> What happens when car dealers can sell more cars than they would have > >>> w/o the "clunker" program? They keep their doors open and move > >>> inventory. > >>> What happens when car dealers move more inventory? Maybe car > >>> manufacturers can stay open and/or nit have to lay off people. > >>> What happens when car manufacturers stay open and/or keep up > >>> production? The thousands of companies that supply these car > >>> manufacturers mabybe stay open and/or don't have to lay off more > >>> people. > > >>> On Aug 4, 1:55 pm, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> What can be parted out? They put sodium silicate in the block which > >>>> destroys the mechanicals totally. You might get some body parts but no > >>>> engine parts. The answer is the US taxpayer takes it in the ass on both > >>>> sides of the deal at once. Aren't you glad the vote last fall went the > >>>> way it did. The country is in the best of hands, so they say. > > >>>> Mark wrote: > > >>>>> Will the government owned(?) gas guzzlers that are traded in actually > >>>>> be crushed or will they be sold out of country at a profit ?? > > >>>>> If they are crushed who gets the salvage money, if they are > >>>>> partsed out who gets the dough, if they are sold who gets that > >>>>> money... or does the US taxpayer simply take it in the ass on both > >>>>> sides of the deal once again. > > >>>>> Any of the three represents substantial cash. > > >>>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Sage2 <[email protected] > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>>> Doc, > > >>>>> You and VT should take the advice of Senator Schumer ( D-NY ) > >>>>> who said of the cash for clunkers program " don't fix what ain't > >>>>> broke > >>>>> " . Health Care ain't broken , it just needs a little adjustment, > >>>>> but > >>>>> guys like Obama and his ilk want to crush it ! > > >>>>> > >>>>> ******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************** > > >>>>> On Aug 4, 1:00 pm, DOC828NDF <[email protected] > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >>>>> > Hmm.... I would love to agree with you, but the Republicans may be > >>>>> > onto something when they say "what's the rush"... I mean, for > >>>>> > example... What if we were to rush into a war without thinking it > >>>>> > through? No diplomacy, and no planning... What if something goes > >>>>> wrong > >>>>> > and its not as easy as we initially thought? Do we really have aan > >>>>> > exit strategy? We need to take some time to think this thing > >>>>> through. > >>>>> > After all, its not like anyone's dying for healthcare > > >>>>> > On Aug 3, 3:58 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[email protected] > >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > Health Care Reform is NEEDED NOW! > >>>>> > > The Republican party is becoming the party of hatred and the > >>>>> > > destruction of the American dream. > > >>>>> > > Sean Lewis > >>>>> > > August 3, 2009 > > >>>>> > > 1) Minimal basic coverage for the unemployed and uninsured. > > >>>>> > > 2) Preventative care to lower future costs > > >>>>> > > 3) Restructure Medicare and Medicaid so they don't go bankrupt. > > >>>>> > > Who could possibly be against this reform? > > >>>>> > > Republicans! > > >>>>> > > Republicans had control of the last 8 years of the > >>>>> > > US political system, with Bush having veto > >>>>> > > power for all eight and the GOP control of the > >>>>> > > Congress for 6 years. The result was the almost > >>>>> > > complete destruction of the US economy. > > >>>>> > > The country was on the brink of complete collapse > >>>>> > > the last quarter of the Bush Administration. An > >>>>> > > Administration and party that was in complete > >>>>> > > denial there was a problem with the economy. > > >>>>> > > It was with the last minute infusion of over $1 Trillion > >>>>> > > in a single quarter that saved the country from another > >>>>> > > Depression type collapse. > > >>>>> > > When economic pollicies almost end in complete > >>>>> > > collapse, in my book that means FAILURE! Why > >>>>> > > take advice from people who almost detroyed the > >>>>> > > very thing America needed to stay strong? > > >>>>> > > The effects are still being felt 3 quarters later, however > >>>>> > > we have steered away from the edge by NEW Democratic > >>>>> > > Leadership. > > >>>>> > > There is no longer talk of the US facing economic collapse, > >>>>> > > in fact there is talk of a stock market BULL rally. > > >>>>> > > Yet Republicans are using everything in their political > >>>>> > > arsenal to stop the Democrats and the Country itself > >>>>> > > from succeeding. > > >>>>> > > The lunatic fringe of the GOP are using lies, scare tactics, > >>>>> > > hatred and race baiting to focus the attention of the country > >>>>> > > away from healing and recovery to more of the same of the last > >>>>> > > 8 years. Division, strife, class warfare and most recently > >>>>> > > racism. > > >>>>> > > The latest obstruction to US recovery is healthcare reform. > > >>>>> > > Under the Bush Administration more people have entered the > >>>>> > > uninsured rolls, the costs associated with the Social Programs > >>>>> > > of Medicare, Medicaid have risen unchecked and even increased > >>>>> > > due to the one 'FIX' Republicans attempted, the Medicare > >>>>> Prescription > >>>>> > > Drug program that did not help anyone who was not insured and > >>>>> > > cost $850 Billion a year at it's inception, this figure > >>>>> > > will climb as the Baby boomers retire all to give Viagra to the > >>>>> > > pension > >>>>> > > crowd. > > >>>>> > > The Republicans rather than fixing the healthcare system > >>>>> actually > >>>>> > > have hurried up it's demise. Because of what the Republicans > >>>>> have > >>>>> > > done, > >>>>> > > Medicare and Medicaid will go bankrupt FASTER and the Baby > >>>>> Boomers > >>>>> > > will be left with FEWER options if any! > > >>>>> > > The Democrats are trying to fix this with reform in the form > >>>>> > > of preventative care, which will lower FUTURE costs of medical > >>>>> care. > > >>>>> > > Costs control by forcing the insurance and drug companies to > >>>>> offer > >>>>> > > lower priced care through competition. > > >>>>> > > Finally actually offering Minimal low cost coverage for the > >>>>> uninsured > >>>>> > > and unemployed! > > >>>>> > > Without these changes the fate of Healthcare will be similar > >>>>> to the > >>>>> > > collapse of the economy in the fall of 2008! > > >>>>> > > So the GOP is using scare tactics similar to the tactics to get > >>>>> > > this country into war with Iraq. Scare Tactics based on lies, > >>>>> half > >>>>> > > truths > >>>>> > > and misinformation. > > >>>>> > > The GOP is using their shock troops who still believe that > >>>>> President > >>>>> > > Obama > >>>>> > > was not born in the US despite overwhelming evidence to the > >>>>> contrary! > > >>>>> > > These individuals are now using the same Birther reasoning to > >>>>> shout > >>>>> > > abuse at town halls in an attempt to show Congress that > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
