What the hell are you talking about Holly? There is no "sudden" disdain for government by Republicans. Reagan said famously "Government doesn't solve the problem, government IS the problem." Bush was excoriated for 8 years on talk radio for not vetoing any spending bills. I believe Michael Savage said W was the worst president he'd ever experienced. And I don't give a damn what color Barry is. His attempts to give more and more power to government is DANGEROUS and inevitably RUINOUS!
On Aug 5, 12:38 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > Zeb, > > How come all you conservatives just suddenly grew a pair of cajones > over the past six months? This has been going on for a 100 plus > fucking years and you boys only notice NOW? WTF, someone expalin this > to me. C'mon what is it REALLY? > You'll take a fucking from govt. led by a white man but not a govt. > led by a black one? What? > > It's NEWS to you boys govt. wastes money? > > On Aug 5, 11:26 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >Do you not understand the govt. is pretty much going to spend your >money > > >any fucking way it pleases and that it has pretty much >always been that > > >way? > > > Thats why we have to fight, at every juncture, the ways the government > > CAN spend our money. They SUCK at it. They waste it. They buy loyalty > > and votes with it. I'm not against universal health care. Even single > > payer. But NOT run by the government. They are the worst, the absolute > > WORST at running things. > > > On Aug 5, 12:14 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > frankg, > > > > You are absolutely nuts if you think I'm going to sit here all day and > > > discuss what is fair or not, what is stealing and what is not. If > > > that is NOT the point then don't ask me what I'd do if the govt. came > > > to steal my house. You do not seem to understand the concept of > > > proportion, or balance or even the common sense of choosing one fights > > > carefully. > > > It's like this, I believe I have a right to defend my life and > > > property. Ok? Regarding proportional response, am I going to kill a > > > person if he comes into my home and steals my microwave and TV? NO, > > > that's just stuff and is insured anyway, a human life is more > > > valuable. If that same person approaches me with a weapon during the > > > very same incident? Yep, going to blow his head off with my Mossberg. > > > I value MY life more than His. proportional response. > > > Where did you sign up to pay for the invasion of Iraq? Do you not > > > understand the govt. is pretty much going to spend your money any > > > fucking way it pleases and that it has pretty much always been that > > > way? What is it with you people wanting to pretend the Federal Govt. > > > and all it's faults was just invented 6 months ago? Are you all crazy? > > > > I'll draw MY line where I need to, you draws yours as you see fit. > > > Don't tell me where to draw MY line. > > > > On Aug 5, 10:27 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hell yeah, and you know... I'm going to be by your side supporting and > > > > cheering you on the entire way. > > > > > But isn't that the point; the idea of 'stealing' from you that which > > > > is yours so that it can be given to others without your approval is > > > > UNacceptable and you will defend it. Sometimes we just can't follow > > > > our Dad's advice about acceptance. > > > > > So why do you feel it's acceptable to defend your property (your home) > > > > from being unfairly taken yet I must accept my property (my income) > > > > being taken unfairly? Where are you drawing the line? You can make a > > > > case I have a moral obligation to pay taxes that will help the needy > > > > with food, housing and health care, and I can accept that. But where > > > > did I ever sign up to start bailing out companies that can't run > > > > competitively? Where did I ever sign up to start helping my neighbors > > > > buy new cars? In my opinion our Government has crossed WAY over the > > > > line and I am no longer willing to simply accept it as unfair. > > > > > On Aug 5, 10:30 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > Any city, state or federal govt. employee that shows up to take my > > > > > home from me without due cause is going to get shot right between the > > > > > eyes. > > > > > > Now, is THAT direct and simple enough for you to understand? > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:31 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > I have no idea but then, that's not what I said. > > > > > > > The point I made was; > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help buy itself a majority > > > > > > shares > > > > > > in GM. I don't benefit from this and I'm sure you'd say "life isn't > > > > > > fair" > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help hand out up to $4500 to > > > > > > people who own 'clunkers'. I don't benefit from this and have to pay > > > > > > full price for a car. You say "life isn't fair" > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help hand out TAP money to > > > > > > college students. My daughter doesn't qualify and have to pay her > > > > > > full > > > > > > tuition out of pocket. I'm sure you'd say "life isn't fair". (this > > > > > > was a new point, I was on a roll). > > > > > > > So I throw at you an admittedly inflated but definitely consistent > > > > > > with the theme scenario; > > > > > > > Government steps in and takes away your home to help fund low income > > > > > > housing. You don't qualify so must pay full price for a new home. I > > > > > > say "life isn't fair". > > > > > > > Do you agree that it's all just a matter of life being unfair or > > > > > > would > > > > > > you feel compelled to rise up and stop what government was doing? > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 11:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Frankg, > > > > > > > > Who's having cars taken away from them by the govt.? > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:58 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > I too learned that lesson at an early age, but there are limits > > > > > > > > to my > > > > > > > > acceptance. I'm willing to bet that if the government decided > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > were going to step in and take away your home you would not > > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > stand by and think "damn, this is rather unfair.... but OK". > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 6:30 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > frankg.. > > > > > > > > > My late father once told me that life is not always fair. i > > > > > > > > > was simply > > > > > > > > > crushed by that notion. Of course i was only six years old at > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > time. At age 60 I've learned a level of acceptance. I'd like > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > suggest you do the same. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:26 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > So the buyer who trades in a 'clunker' wins; the auto > > > > > > > > > > dealers get more > > > > > > > > > > business and win; car manufacturers and their employees > > > > > > > > > > win; the auto > > > > > > > > > > suppliers and their employee win; everybody wins….. except > > > > > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a clunker that qualifies, so as usual, I > > > > > > > > > > qualify to pay > > > > > > > > > > for a government program, but I don't qualify to receive > > > > > > > > > > from it. > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also thinking there's something fundamentally wrong > > > > > > > > > > when the > > > > > > > > > > government assumes majority control of a company via my tax > > > > > > > > > > dollars, > > > > > > > > > > and then drives that company's sales up by giving more of > > > > > > > > > > my tax > > > > > > > > > > dollars to others so they can purchase products from the > > > > > > > > > > company the > > > > > > > > > > government just 'bought'. > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 4:01 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dick, > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when car dealers can sell more cars than > > > > > > > > > > > they would have > > > > > > > > > > > w/o the "clunker" program? They keep their doors open and > > > > > > > > > > > move > > > > > > > > > > > inventory. > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when car dealers move more inventory? Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > car > > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers can stay open and/or nit have to lay off > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > What happens when car manufacturers stay open and/or keep > > > > > > > > > > > up > > > > > > > > > > > production? The thousands of companies that supply these > > > > > > > > > > > car > > > > > > > > > > > manufacturers mabybe stay open and/or don't have to lay > > > > > > > > > > > off more > > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 1:55 pm, dick thompson > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > What can be parted out? They put sodium silicate in > > > > > > > > > > > > the block which > > > > > > > > > > > > destroys the mechanicals totally. You might get some > > > > > > > > > > > > body parts but no > > > > > > > > > > > > engine parts. The answer is the US taxpayer takes it > > > > > > > > > > > > in the ass on both > > > > > > > > > > > > sides of the deal at once. Aren't you glad the vote > > > > > > > > > > > > last fall went the > > > > > > > > > > > > way it did. The country is in the best of hands, so > > > > > > > > > > > > they say. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Will the government owned(?) gas guzzlers that are > > > > > > > > > > > > > traded in actually > > > > > > > > > > > > > be crushed or will they be sold out of country at a > > > > > > > > > > > > > profit ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If they are crushed who gets the salvage money, if > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > > > > > partsed out who gets the dough, if they are sold who > > > > > > > > > > > > > gets that > > > > > > > > > > > > > money... or does the US taxpayer simply take it in > > > > > > > > > > > > > the ass on both > > > > > > > > > > > > > sides of the deal once again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any of the three represents substantial cash. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Sage2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Doc, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You and VT should take the advice of > > > > > > > > > > > > > Senator Schumer ( D-NY ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > who said of the cash for clunkers program " don't > > > > > > > > > > > > > fix what ain't broke > > > > > > > > > > > > > " . Health Care ain't broken , it just needs a > > > > > > > > > > > > > little adjustment, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > guys like Obama and his ilk want to crush it ! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
