Zeb, Why would I spend a lot of time listening to right wing radio? I didn't see any of you "and your ilk" constantly quoting Savage and Hannity's fierce denunciations of Bush's spending policies during the Bush administration. You boys DO remember that it was a Republican dominated Congress passing most of those those bills Bush refused to veto, right? Huh, and yet somehow in spite of your revulsion for his spending policies "the right" solidly supported him for a 2nd term in office. And yet are ready to practically hang President obama after barely six months. Most curious.
On Aug 5, 4:08 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > Oh fer Christ's sake, do you really require an unabridged list? If you > listened to right wing radio, which I'm sure you find a abhorrent, > you'd know how disgruntled the right was with Bush's spending or lack > of control thereof. > > On Aug 5, 5:00 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > Better. That's TWO examples from TWO conservative talk show hosts in > > EIGHT years. > > STILL not impressed. > > > On Aug 5, 3:56 pm, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > I only pointed out Savage because he not only criticized Bush, but > > > called him the worst. Even Hannity raged at Bush's refusal to veto ANY > > > spending bill. > > > > On Aug 5, 4:37 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > You haven't yet noticed a difference between what politicians SAY and > > > > what they DO? Ronald Reagan hasn't been President in over 20 years > > > > BTW. Bush was excoriated by conservative Republicans for 8 yeras for > > > > not vetoing any spending bills? By people here? Am I talking to > > > > unidentified "Talk Shows" or am I talking to the people here? > > > > Mike Savage? One that's ONE examople by ONE conservative talk show > > > > host in EIGHT years. > > > > I'm not impressed. > > > > > On Aug 5, 11:52 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > What the hell are you talking about Holly? There is no "sudden" > > > > > disdain for government by Republicans. Reagan said famously > > > > > "Government doesn't solve the problem, government IS the problem." > > > > > Bush was excoriated for 8 years on talk radio for not vetoing any > > > > > spending bills. I believe Michael Savage said W was the worst > > > > > president he'd ever experienced. And I don't give a damn what color > > > > > Barry is. His attempts to give more and more power to government is > > > > > DANGEROUS and inevitably RUINOUS! > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:38 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Zeb, > > > > > > > How come all you conservatives just suddenly grew a pair of cajones > > > > > > over the past six months? This has been going on for a 100 plus > > > > > > fucking years and you boys only notice NOW? WTF, someone expalin > > > > > > this > > > > > > to me. C'mon what is it REALLY? > > > > > > You'll take a fucking from govt. led by a white man but not a govt. > > > > > > led by a black one? What? > > > > > > > It's NEWS to you boys govt. wastes money? > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 11:26 am, Zebnick <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >Do you not understand the govt. is pretty much going to spend > > > > > > > >your >money any fucking way it pleases and that it has pretty > > > > > > > >much >always been that way? > > > > > > > > Thats why we have to fight, at every juncture, the ways the > > > > > > > government > > > > > > > CAN spend our money. They SUCK at it. They waste it. They buy > > > > > > > loyalty > > > > > > > and votes with it. I'm not against universal health care. Even > > > > > > > single > > > > > > > payer. But NOT run by the government. They are the worst, the > > > > > > > absolute > > > > > > > WORST at running things. > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:14 pm, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > You are absolutely nuts if you think I'm going to sit here all > > > > > > > > day and > > > > > > > > discuss what is fair or not, what is stealing and what is not. > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > that is NOT the point then don't ask me what I'd do if the > > > > > > > > govt. came > > > > > > > > to steal my house. You do not seem to understand the concept of > > > > > > > > proportion, or balance or even the common sense of choosing one > > > > > > > > fights > > > > > > > > carefully. > > > > > > > > It's like this, I believe I have a right to defend my life and > > > > > > > > property. Ok? Regarding proportional response, am I going to > > > > > > > > kill a > > > > > > > > person if he comes into my home and steals my microwave and TV? > > > > > > > > NO, > > > > > > > > that's just stuff and is insured anyway, a human life is more > > > > > > > > valuable. If that same person approaches me with a weapon > > > > > > > > during the > > > > > > > > very same incident? Yep, going to blow his head off with my > > > > > > > > Mossberg. > > > > > > > > I value MY life more than His. proportional response. > > > > > > > > Where did you sign up to pay for the invasion of Iraq? Do you > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > understand the govt. is pretty much going to spend your money > > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > fucking way it pleases and that it has pretty much always been > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > way? What is it with you people wanting to pretend the Federal > > > > > > > > Govt. > > > > > > > > and all it's faults was just invented 6 months ago? Are you all > > > > > > > > crazy? > > > > > > > > > I'll draw MY line where I need to, you draws yours as you see > > > > > > > > fit. > > > > > > > > Don't tell me where to draw MY line. > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 10:27 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hell yeah, and you know... I'm going to be by your side > > > > > > > > > supporting and > > > > > > > > > cheering you on the entire way. > > > > > > > > > > But isn't that the point; the idea of 'stealing' from you > > > > > > > > > that which > > > > > > > > > is yours so that it can be given to others without your > > > > > > > > > approval is > > > > > > > > > UNacceptable and you will defend it. Sometimes we just can't > > > > > > > > > follow > > > > > > > > > our Dad's advice about acceptance. > > > > > > > > > > So why do you feel it's acceptable to defend your property > > > > > > > > > (your home) > > > > > > > > > from being unfairly taken yet I must accept my property (my > > > > > > > > > income) > > > > > > > > > being taken unfairly? Where are you drawing the line? You > > > > > > > > > can make a > > > > > > > > > case I have a moral obligation to pay taxes that will help > > > > > > > > > the needy > > > > > > > > > with food, housing and health care, and I can accept that. > > > > > > > > > But where > > > > > > > > > did I ever sign up to start bailing out companies that can't > > > > > > > > > run > > > > > > > > > competitively? Where did I ever sign up to start helping my > > > > > > > > > neighbors > > > > > > > > > buy new cars? In my opinion our Government has crossed WAY > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > > > line and I am no longer willing to simply accept it as unfair. > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 10:30 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > Any city, state or federal govt. employee that shows up to > > > > > > > > > > take my > > > > > > > > > > home from me without due cause is going to get shot right > > > > > > > > > > between the > > > > > > > > > > eyes. > > > > > > > > > > > Now, is THAT direct and simple enough for you to understand? > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 5, 12:31 am, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea but then, that's not what I said. > > > > > > > > > > > > The point I made was; > > > > > > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help buy itself a > > > > > > > > > > > majority shares > > > > > > > > > > > in GM. I don't benefit from this and I'm sure you'd say > > > > > > > > > > > "life isn't > > > > > > > > > > > fair" > > > > > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help hand out up to > > > > > > > > > > > $4500 to > > > > > > > > > > > people who own 'clunkers'. I don't benefit from this and > > > > > > > > > > > have to pay > > > > > > > > > > > full price for a car. You say "life isn't fair" > > > > > > > > > > > Government reaches into my pocket to help hand out TAP > > > > > > > > > > > money to > > > > > > > > > > > college students. My daughter doesn't qualify and have to > > > > > > > > > > > pay her full > > > > > > > > > > > tuition out of pocket. I'm sure you'd say "life isn't > > > > > > > > > > > fair". (this > > > > > > > > > > > was a new point, I was on a roll). > > > > > > > > > > > > So I throw at you an admittedly inflated but definitely > > > > > > > > > > > consistent > > > > > > > > > > > with the theme scenario; > > > > > > > > > > > > Government steps in and takes away your home to help fund > > > > > > > > > > > low income > > > > > > > > > > > housing. You don't qualify so must pay full price for a > > > > > > > > > > > new home. I > > > > > > > > > > > say "life isn't fair". > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you agree that it's all just a matter of life being > > > > > > > > > > > unfair or would > > > > > > > > > > > you feel compelled to rise up and stop what government > > > > > > > > > > > was doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 11:37 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Frankg, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Who's having cars taken away from them by the govt.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:58 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I too learned that lesson at an early age, but there > > > > > > > > > > > > > are limits to my > > > > > > > > > > > > > acceptance. I'm willing to bet that if the government > > > > > > > > > > > > > decided they > > > > > > > > > > > > > were going to step in and take away your home you > > > > > > > > > > > > > would not simply > > > > > > > > > > > > > stand by and think "damn, this is rather unfair.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > but OK". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 6:30 pm, Hollywood > > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > frankg.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My late father once told me that life is not always > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fair. i was simply > > > > > > > > > > > > > > crushed by that notion. Of course i was only six > > > > > > > > > > > > > > years old at the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time. At age 60 I've learned a level of acceptance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggest you do the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 5:26 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hollywood, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the buyer who trades in a 'clunker' wins; the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auto dealers get more > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > business and win; car manufacturers and their > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > employees win; the auto > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suppliers and their employee win; everybody > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wins….. except me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't have a clunker that qualifies, so as > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > usual, I qualify to pay > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for a government program, but I don't qualify to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > receive from it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm also thinking there's something fundamentally > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrong when the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > government assumes majority control of a company > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via my tax dollars, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then drives that company's sales up by giving > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > more of > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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