> If we can get
> everyone Health Care without more taxes, without healthcare quality
> going down and without healthcare costs going up, what is the problem?

Sounds great, now prove it can be done. The CBO doesn’t seem to think
it will work. Common sense says it won’t work. A significant portion
of the funding supposedly will come from the elimination of fraud and
waste in the current system. Exactly how that will be done is still a
black box secret and one that most believe can’t be done. And if it
can be done, why isn’t it being done today? After all, the biggest
single complaint with the current system is cost, and if you can
eliminate fraud and waste you can reduce cost.


On Oct 1, 12:16 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote:
> In response to Plain'ol
>
> It depends on what you mean by "efficient?" It is dangerous to confuse
> "efficiency" with "what is best for the American people."
>
> In response to MJ--
>
> What reforms have Government instituted thus far? This is the first
> proposal of a major (emphasis major)reform of health care instituted
> by the Government that has ever been proposed, to my knowledge.
>
> In response to the snippet about socialist, government etc...
> It would appear Mr. Bastiat confuses a Democratic Society and any
> other Society. In Democracy the people are the government.
>
> And it seems both of you have danced around the question. "If we can
> get
> everyone Health Care without more taxes, without healthcare quality
> going down and without healthcare costs going up, what is the
> problem?"
>
> If there is no problem with the ideal, then we need to work on the
> details of how to implement it. If you do have a problem with the
> ideal, then your problem might be larger than you suspect.
>
> On Oct 1, 9:06 am, "M. Johnson" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>
> > LimboIndo
> >      But is healthcare reform the right thing to do for our country?
>
> > MJ
> > You presume that Government -- who gave us 'reform' after
> > 'reform' after 'reform' that put us *in* this mess in the first
> > place -- is the appropriate facilitator for this so-called 'reform'.
>
> > Unless Government 'reform' involves a wholesale 'repeal',
> > then the answer is definitively ... No.
>
> > Regard$,
> > --MJ
>
> > Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs,
> > confuses the distinction between government and society.
> > As a result of this, every time we object to a thing
> > being done by government, the socialists conclude that
> > we object to its being done at all.   -- Frédéric Bastiat- Hide quoted text 
> > -
>
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