I can do that.... No Child Left Behind was a huge success !!!!! The Feds withheld money from districts that did not comply.
We all also know that Home schooled children fail all testing miserably. On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:01 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > The flaw in your argument is simple; your answer to everything is to > get the Federal Government involved. Believe it or not, most things > can best be handled at the local or state level (or thru personal > responsibility). The Federal Government should be the last option, not > the first. Can you explain how the Federal Government, and not your > local or state government, can best provide education for your > neighbor? > > On Oct 2, 6:42 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote: > > Well frank, what do you to do for a living? Unless you live on a farm > > and grow your own food which you don't sell, you should be very > > interested in your neighbor's education. > > > > If you work in the tech field, you need educated people to buy your > > products so you'll have a job. If you work in a bank, you need people > > to make money to put in your bank, so you can lend it, so you'll have > > a job. If you work in a...well you get the picture. > > > > These people vote for your leaders as well, do you want some > > carpenter > > with a 4th grade education making political decisions for you? Think > > outside thr box, just for a second and you'll see that sometimes > > giving for the greater good is better for you in all ways. > > > > On Oct 2, 4:02 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > But what it is you are funding determines how you answer. The Federal > > > Government should have a very limited role. Is there a responsibility > > > to fund the country's defense - yes. Is there a responsibility to fund > > > the building of my house - no. And sometimes, even if it is the role > > > of government, it might not be the Federal Government. Town parks, for > > > example, should be funded at a local level. While funding (i.e., > > > taxation) may not be specifically spelled out in the Constitution, I > > > do believe there is a responsibility to pay taxes so the Federal > > > Government can perform the tasks we expect of it, but nothing more. > > > And so it's important to be clear on what we expect those tasks to be. > > > I personally do not believe healthcare or education are the > > > responsibility of the Federal Government and so no, there shouldn't be > > > funding for it. (sorry, I know that was circular and redundant). > > > > > On Oct 2, 4:23 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > the comparison was not exactly education and healthcare... it was the > > > > responsibility for the funding... if that responsibility exists. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Comparing healthcare to education is apples to oranges but to > answer > > > > > the question, no, my federal tax dollars should not be going to my > > > > > neighbor's education. > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 1:26 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Do either of you think that your neighbor has a "right" to one > dime of > > > > > > your money for education? > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 12:06 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well stated Mark.. > > > > > > > > > > there is NO right for my neighbor to see one dime of my money > paying > > > > > for HIS healthcare. > > > > > > > > > Especially when I am working hard, earning a good salary and > being > > > > > > > heavily taxed already and I'm also working hard at the gym, > eating > > > > > > > healthy and doing all I can to remain healthy while my neighbor > > > > > > > exploits social programs to avoid working, paying no taxes, > eats fast > > > > > > > food and lays around the house getting fat and unhealthy. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 12:20 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, government is sworn to defend against enemies foreign and > > > > > domestic. now > > > > > > > > you are mixing the rights of states under the constitution > with those > > > > > > > > enumerated duties of the feds. > > > > > > > > > > Has government cured the woes of drugs, alchohol, or health > care in > > > > > its MANY > > > > > > > > attempts or has it just muddied the waters and caused pricing > to be > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > control ?? > > > > > > > > > > In its many efforts to ban alchohol, drugs and guns it has > built > > > > > criminal > > > > > > > > organizations that rival the police forces.... and left the > general > > > > > public > > > > > > > > more and more helpless. > > > > > > > > > > In its many attempts at general population healthcare it has > fostered > > > > > a > > > > > > > > system of graft and corruption that had a bigger bottom line > than > > > > > General > > > > > > > > Motors last year (and this). > > > > > > > > > > Show me one unqualified governmental success in dealing with > a SOCIAL > > > > > > > > problem..... > > > > > > > > > > there is NO right for my neighbor to see one dime of my money > paying > > > > > for HIS > > > > > > > > healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > I do have a right to openly (and proudly) carry a weapon. > > > > > > > > > > yet Government has these two reversed in its efforts..... > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM, LimboIndo < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think you meant "why can a foreigner use." And actually > the > > > > > > > > > Government does regulate drugs and alcohol (but that's a > serperate > > > > > > > > > issue). Our Government was forbade from regulating > religion, and > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > do regulate health care currently. The debate here is about > > > > > reforming > > > > > > > > > the system. > > > > > > > > > > > And yes healthcare is a social issue, right along with > education > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > crime. > > > > > > > > > > > Dictionary: so·ci·e·tal (sə-sī'ĭ-tl) > > > > > > > > > > > Of or relating to the structure, organization, or > functioning of > > > > > > > > > society. > > > > > > > > > > > And point is you said Government has never been able to, > and should > > > > > > > > > not regulate social problems, which is an outright lie. > Fixing > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > problems is the very basis of Government: To address social > issues, > > > > > > > > > and fight off invading armies. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 1:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > social problems as defined by common usage in todays > political > > > > > climate. > > > > > > > > > > > > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > alchohol/drug abuse > > > > > > > > > > religious expression > > > > > > > > > > > > are Social, but not necessarily Societal problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > why is a fucking foreigner can use and apply the language > and its > > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > political di(e)ffereces used in your country better than > you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please TRY to stay in the context of your own political > > > > > atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can have a social problem without it ever, in any > concievable > > > > > way, > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > considered a societal problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > illiteracy pisses me off..... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:26 PM, LimboIndo < > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Government is NOT a cure for any social ailments. It > has > > > > > NEVER solved > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > single social problem. It has never solved a single > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe this? This is your idea of a > valid > > > > > argument, > > > > > > > > > > > making completely ludicrous statements that aren't even > in the > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > > > of reality? Government is a SOCIAL system INVENTED to > solve > > > > > SOCIAL > > > > > > > > > > > PROBLEMS. Solving social problems is the PURPOSE of > Government. > > > > > Read > > > > > > > > > > > the greats Rousseau, Locke, Hobbes, all referred to a > SOCIAL > > > > > CONTRACT. > > > > > > > > > > > Crime, Safety, Order are all Social problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > so·cial (sshl) > > > > > > > > > > > adj. > > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > a. Living together in communities. > > > > > > > > > > > b. Of or relating to communal living. > > > > > > > > > > > c. Of or relating to human society and its modes of > > > > > organization: > > > > > > > > > > > social classes; social problems; a social issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 10:42 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you miss the points made as you are all > wrapped up in > > > > > > > > > semantics > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > phraseology without bothering to hear the point made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Government is NOT a cure for any social ailments. It > has > > > > > NEVER solved > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > single social problem. It has never solved a single > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health care and access to it ARE social ailments. > There is no > > > > > > > > > "perfect" > > > > > > > > > > > > system". Someone will always be left out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:28 PM, LimboIndo < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are debating the need for health care reform > based on > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not government waste, not government corruption, > not > > > > > crooked > > > > > > > > > > > > > politicians, not if it rains too much in Seattle. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I've said before please argue if we need health > care > > > > > reform > > > > > > > > > based > > > > > > > > > > > > > on our current health care system. If there is a > need, then > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > means > > > > > > > > > > > > > to address it must be discussed. If you think our > health > > > > > care > > > > > > > > > system > > > > > > > > > > > > > is fine the way it is, I would ask you why you > thought so. > > > > > It costs > > > > > > > > > > > > > more than any other place in the world, it is no > better > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > > > > > > based on rankings of World Health Orginizations, > and its > > > > > current > > > > > > > > > lack > > > > > > > > > > > > > of universal coverage potentially exposes the > broader > > > > > population to > > > > > > > > > > > > > epidemics. Not to mention a healthier work force is > better > > > > > for our > > > > > > > > > > > > > economy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *Not directed at you frank, but I wish everyone > would look > > > > > up two > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > > > important terms: "Red Herring, and Straw Man" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please stop making these types of arguments, they > are > > > > > fallacious in > > > > > > > > > > > > > there composition and not valid. Please make valid > > > > > arguments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 8:14 pm, frankg <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Surely you don't think that the Government does > not > > > > > commit > > > > > > > > > wasteful > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > -- Mark M. Kahle, , www.filacoffee.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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