Mark, That's one of the strongest cases I've seen yet for Federal funding of our education system. Nice going!
On Oct 3, 12:22 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > I can do that.... No Child Left Behind was a huge success !!!!! The Feds > withheld money from districts that did not comply. > > We all also know that Home schooled children fail all testing miserably. > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 10:01 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The flaw in your argument is simple; your answer to everything is to > > get the Federal Government involved. Believe it or not, most things > > can best be handled at the local or state level (or thru personal > > responsibility). The Federal Government should be the last option, not > > the first. Can you explain how the Federal Government, and not your > > local or state government, can best provide education for your > > neighbor? > > > On Oct 2, 6:42 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Well frank, what do you to do for a living? Unless you live on a farm > > > and grow your own food which you don't sell, you should be very > > > interested in your neighbor's education. > > > > If you work in the tech field, you need educated people to buy your > > > products so you'll have a job. If you work in a bank, you need people > > > to make money to put in your bank, so you can lend it, so you'll have > > > a job. If you work in a...well you get the picture. > > > > These people vote for your leaders as well, do you want some > > > carpenter > > > with a 4th grade education making political decisions for you? Think > > > outside thr box, just for a second and you'll see that sometimes > > > giving for the greater good is better for you in all ways. > > > > On Oct 2, 4:02 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > But what it is you are funding determines how you answer. The Federal > > > > Government should have a very limited role. Is there a responsibility > > > > to fund the country's defense - yes. Is there a responsibility to fund > > > > the building of my house - no. And sometimes, even if it is the role > > > > of government, it might not be the Federal Government. Town parks, for > > > > example, should be funded at a local level. While funding (i.e., > > > > taxation) may not be specifically spelled out in the Constitution, I > > > > do believe there is a responsibility to pay taxes so the Federal > > > > Government can perform the tasks we expect of it, but nothing more. > > > > And so it's important to be clear on what we expect those tasks to be. > > > > I personally do not believe healthcare or education are the > > > > responsibility of the Federal Government and so no, there shouldn't be > > > > funding for it. (sorry, I know that was circular and redundant). > > > > > On Oct 2, 4:23 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > the comparison was not exactly education and healthcare... it was the > > > > > responsibility for the funding... if that responsibility exists. > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:59 PM, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Comparing healthcare to education is apples to oranges but to > > answer > > > > > > the question, no, my federal tax dollars should not be going to my > > > > > > neighbor's education. > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 1:26 pm, LimboIndo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Do either of you think that your neighbor has a "right" to one > > dime of > > > > > > > your money for education? > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 12:06 pm, frankg <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well stated Mark.. > > > > > > > > > > there is NO right for my neighbor to see one dime of my money > > paying > > > > > > for HIS healthcare. > > > > > > > > > Especially when I am working hard, earning a good salary and > > being > > > > > > > > heavily taxed already and I'm also working hard at the gym, > > eating > > > > > > > > healthy and doing all I can to remain healthy while my neighbor > > > > > > > > exploits social programs to avoid working, paying no taxes, > > eats fast > > > > > > > > food and lays around the house getting fat and unhealthy. > > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 12:20 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > No, government is sworn to defend against enemies foreign and > > > > > > domestic. now > > > > > > > > > you are mixing the rights of states under the constitution > > with those > > > > > > > > > enumerated duties of the feds. > > > > > > > > > > Has government cured the woes of drugs, alchohol, or health > > care in > > > > > > its MANY > > > > > > > > > attempts or has it just muddied the waters and caused pricing > > to be > > > > > > out of > > > > > > > > > control ?? > > > > > > > > > > In its many efforts to ban alchohol, drugs and guns it has > > built > > > > > > criminal > > > > > > > > > organizations that rival the police forces.... and left the > > general > > > > > > public > > > > > > > > > more and more helpless. > > > > > > > > > > In its many attempts at general population healthcare it has > > fostered > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > system of graft and corruption that had a bigger bottom line > > than > > > > > > General > > > > > > > > > Motors last year (and this). > > > > > > > > > > Show me one unqualified governmental success in dealing with > > a SOCIAL > > > > > > > > > problem..... > > > > > > > > > > there is NO right for my neighbor to see one dime of my money > > paying > > > > > > for HIS > > > > > > > > > healthcare. > > > > > > > > > > I do have a right to openly (and proudly) carry a weapon. > > > > > > > > > > yet Government has these two reversed in its efforts..... > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 9:37 AM, LimboIndo < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think you meant "why can a foreigner use." And actually > > the > > > > > > > > > > Government does regulate drugs and alcohol (but that's a > > serperate > > > > > > > > > > issue). Our Government was forbade from regulating > > religion, and > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > do regulate health care currently. The debate here is about > > > > > > reforming > > > > > > > > > > the system. > > > > > > > > > > > And yes healthcare is a social issue, right along with > > education > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > crime. > > > > > > > > > > > Dictionary: so·ci·e·tal (sə-sī'ĭ-tl) > > > > > > > > > > > Of or relating to the structure, organization, or > > functioning of > > > > > > > > > > society. > > > > > > > > > > > And point is you said Government has never been able to, > > and should > > > > > > > > > > not regulate social problems, which is an outright lie. > > Fixing > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > problems is the very basis of Government: To address social > > issues, > > > > > > > > > > and fight off invading armies. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 2, 1:15 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > social problems as defined by common usage in todays > > political > > > > > > climate. > > > > > > > > > > > > healthcare > > > > > > > > > > > alchohol/drug abuse > > > > > > > > > > > religious expression > > > > > > > > > > > > are Social, but not necessarily Societal problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > why is a fucking foreigner can use and apply the language > > and its > > > > > > petty > > > > > > > > > > > political di(e)ffereces used in your country better than > > you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please TRY to stay in the context of your own political > > > > > > atmosphere. > > > > > > > > > > > > I can have a social problem without it ever, in any > > concievable > > > > > > way, > > > > > > > > > > being > > > > > > > > > > > considered a societal problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > illiteracy pisses me off..... > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 11:26 PM, LimboIndo < > > [email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Government is NOT a cure for any social ailments. It > > has > > > > > > NEVER solved > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > single social problem. It has never solved a single > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you honestly believe this? This is your idea of a > > valid > > > > > > argument, > > > > > > > > > > > > making completely ludicrous statements that aren't even > > in the > > > > > > realm > > > > > > > > > > > > of reality? Government is a SOCIAL system INVENTED to > > solve > > > > > > SOCIAL > > > > > > > > > > > > PROBLEMS. Solving social problems is the PURPOSE of > > Government. > > > > > > Read > > > > > > > > > > > > the greats Rousseau, Locke, Hobbes, all referred to a > > SOCIAL > > > > > > CONTRACT. > > > > > > > > > > > > Crime, Safety, Order are all Social problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > so·cial (sshl) > > > > > > > > > > > > adj. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. > > > > > > > > > > > > a. Living together in communities. > > > > > > > > > > > > b. Of or relating to communal living. > > > > > > > > > > > > c. Of or relating to human society and its modes of > > > > > > organization: > > > > > > > > > > > > social classes; social problems; a social issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 1, 10:42 pm, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again, you miss the points made as you are all > > wrapped up in > > > > > > > > > > semantics > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > phraseology without bothering to hear the point made. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Government is NOT a cure for any social ailments. It > > has > > > > > > NEVER solved > > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > > > > single social problem. It has never solved a single > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Health care and access to it ARE social ailments. > > There is no > > > > > > > > > > "perfect" > > > > > > > > > > > > > system". Someone will always be left out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 7:28 PM, LimboIndo < > > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We are debating the need for health care reform > > based on > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > care. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not government waste, not > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
