Wrong again, Fool. Clinton did indeed leave a surplus, which Dubya squandered away.
Look it up. On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > Fool, Clinton did not leave a surplus. The Bush recession you keep > blabbing about started in 2000 under Clinton and was in its 3rd quarter > when Bush was inaugurated. > > On 01/05/2011 10:17 PM, Tommy News wrote: >> "Obamacare" is an offensive and misleading negative term. >> >> Government plans rarely come in on or under >> budget. >> W. Bush caused the gigantic deficit and squandered the Clinton >> surplus. Yes, he did. >> >> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>> Tommy, >>> >>> Is it not a health care plan championed by Obama ?? On ewould think he >>> would >>> be PROUDER than a peacock to have his name so closely associated. >>> >>> Please list any and all Government plans that have come in on or under >>> budget and accomplished at least 80% of their goals. >>> >>> I am waiting. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> That is a plain lie. >>>> That is another plain lie. >>>> That is yet another plain lie. >>>> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet >>>> another >>>> lie. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/5/11, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to >>>>> offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the >>>>> individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a plan >>>>> that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, single >>>>> and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands >>>>> now >>>>> I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that allows >>>>> me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan for >>>>> catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. >>>>> That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the >>>>> Republicans are talking about. >>>>> >>>>> On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>>>>> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and >>>>>> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer and >>>>>> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, your >>>>>> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your health >>>>>> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact >>>>>> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the >>>>>> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other provisions >>>>>> of the bill constantly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Fight the lies and false smear! >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free >>>>>>> enterprise >>>>>>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose his >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> her >>>>>>> own best policy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> world >>>>>>> as far as health care was concerned. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy >>>>>>> care... I >>>>>>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless >>>> bureaucrats >>>>>>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine country >>>> and >>>>>>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that >>>>>>> literally >>>>>>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems to >>>>>>> serve >>>>>>> the working man. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of his >>>>>>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and they >>>>>>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will do >>>>>>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need >>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. >>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to >>>>>>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since it >>>>>>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down >>>>>>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system by >>>>>>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance >>>>>>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. >>>>>>>> While >>>>>>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's >>>>>>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting that >>>>>>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought up >>>>>>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. We >>>>>>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our >>>>>>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, >>>>>>>> Korea, >>>>>>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive >>>>>>>> side. >>>>>>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we are >>>>>>>> not always in the right. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they >>>> have. >>>>>>>> Free >>>>>>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot >>>>>>>>>> buy >>>>>>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? >>>> What >>>>>>>>>> then, Markie Mark? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our >>>>>>>>>>> health >>>>>>>>>>> care.@@@@ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want to >>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my personal >>>>>>>>>>> needs >>>>>>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy -- >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans are >>>>>>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance >>>>>>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the >>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on >>>>>>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get >>>> sick, >>>>>>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed >>>>>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>> When >>>>>>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their mortgage >>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they landed >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other >>>>>>>>>>>> reforms >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or >>>> ideological >>>>>>>>>>>> agenda. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we >>>> were >>>>>>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and abuse, >>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed >>>>>>>>>>>> because, >>>>>>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would wait >>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>> longer for health reform. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to >>>>>>>>>>>> stand >>>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>>> for them again. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of organizers >>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. >>>>>>>> Together, >>>>>>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress focused >>>> on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> future: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- >>>> they're >>>>>>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the ditch >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a >>>>>>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of whom >>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable >>>>>>>>>>>> Care >>>>>>>> Act >>>>>>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the road >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with them >>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten by >>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to >>>> grow >>>>>>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep >>>>>>>>>>>> moving >>>>>>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work hard >>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart >>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Tommy >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>>> For options& help see >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Tommy >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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