Wrong again, Keithie Keith. Here is the logical empirical data you request:
http://giveme10.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/budget_deficit_or_surplus1.gif?w=500&h=358 On 1/6/11, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: > Tom cannot respond to logical, thoughtful, empirical data and fact > Mark......Waste of time. > > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Tommy, >> >> After you read the real numbers from the US Government Treasury below >> (please follow the links) your continued cry that Clinton left a surplus >> would make you an absolute and resolute liar. Facts are a bitch. >> >> Here are the facts and how to find them regarding the bogus Clinton >> surplus >> as well as a quote from the leading Democratic Congressman of the time: >> >> *Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and >> saying surplus, surplus.* Look what we have done. *It is false. The actual >> figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had >> to >> borrow $127,800,000,000*. - *Democratic Senator Ernest Hollings, October >> 28, 1999* >> >> >> Fiscal >> Year Year >> Ending National Debt Deficit FY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion >> FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billion FY1995 >> 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billion FY1996 09/30/1996 >> $5.224810 >> trillion $250.83 billion FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 >> billion FY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billion FY1999 >> 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion FY2000 09/29/2000 >> $5.674178 >> trillion $17.91 billion FY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 >> billion >> Looking at the makeup of the national debt and the claimed surpluses for >> the last 4 Clinton fiscal years, we have the following table: >> >> *Fiscal >> Year* *End >> Date* *Claimed >> Surplus* *Public >> Debt* *Intra-gov >> Holdings* *Total National >> Debt* FY1997 09/30/1997 $3.789667T $1.623478T $5.413146T FY1998 >> 09/30/1998 $69.2B $3.733864T $55.8B $1.792328T $168.9B $5.526193T $113B >> FY1999 09/30/1999 $122.7B $3.636104T $97.8B $2.020166T $227.8B >> $5.656270T $130.1B FY2000 09/29/2000 $230.0B $3.405303T $230.8B >> $2.268874T $248.7B $5.674178T $17.9B FY2001 09/28/2001 $3.339310T >> $66.0B $2.468153T $199.3B $5.807463T $133.3B >> >> 1. Go to the U.S. Treasury website: http://www.ustreas.gov/ >> 2. Click on "Bureaus": Takes you to http://www.ustreas.gov/bureaus/ >> 3. Click on "Bureau of the Public Debt": Takes you to >> http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/ >> 4. Scroll down to the section "The U.S. Public Debt" and click on "See >> the U.S. Public Debt to the Penny." >> 5. This takes you to the link: >> http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Wrong again, Fool. >>> >>> Clinton did indeed leave a surplus, which Dubya squandered away. >>> >>> Look it up. >>> >>> On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > Fool, Clinton did not leave a surplus. The Bush recession you keep >>> > blabbing about started in 2000 under Clinton and was in its 3rd quarter >>> > when Bush was inaugurated. >>> > >>> > On 01/05/2011 10:17 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> >> "Obamacare" is an offensive and misleading negative term. >>> >> >>> >> Government plans rarely come in on or under >>> >> budget. >>> >> W. Bush caused the gigantic deficit and squandered the Clinton >>> >> surplus. Yes, he did. >>> >> >>> >> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Tommy, >>> >>> >>> >>> Is it not a health care plan championed by Obama ?? On ewould think >>> >>> he >>> >>> would >>> >>> be PROUDER than a peacock to have his name so closely associated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Please list any and all Government plans that have come in on or >>> >>> under >>> >>> budget and accomplished at least 80% of their goals. >>> >>> >>> >>> I am waiting. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>> That is a plain lie. >>> >>>> That is another plain lie. >>> >>>> That is yet another plain lie. >>> >>>> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet >>> >>>> another >>> >>>> lie. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 1/5/11, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to >>> >>>>> offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the >>> >>>>> individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a >>> plan >>> >>>>> that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, >>> single >>> >>>>> and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it >>> >>>>> stands >>> >>>>> now >>> >>>>> I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that >>> allows >>> >>>>> me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan >>> for >>> >>>>> catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. >>> >>>>> That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>> Republicans are talking about. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: >>> >>>>>> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and >>> >>>>>> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer >>> and >>> >>>>>> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, >>> your >>> >>>>>> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your >>> health >>> >>>>>> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the >>> exact >>> >>>>>> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the >>> >>>>>> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other >>> provisions >>> >>>>>> of the bill constantly. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Fight the lies and false smear! >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free >>> >>>>>>> enterprise >>> >>>>>>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose >>> his >>> >>>>>>> or >>> >>>>>>> her >>> >>>>>>> own best policy. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy >>> >>>>>>> of >>> >>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>> world >>> >>>>>>> as far as health care was concerned. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my >>> >>>>>>> healthy >>> >>>>>>> care... I >>> >>>>>>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless >>> >>>> bureaucrats >>> >>>>>>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine >>> country >>> >>>> and >>> >>>>>>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that >>> >>>>>>> literally >>> >>>>>>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private >>> >>>>>>> systems >>> to >>> >>>>>>> serve >>> >>>>>>> the working man. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of >>> his >>> >>>>>>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and >>> they >>> >>>>>>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents >>> >>>>>>>> will >>> do >>> >>>>>>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need >>> >>>>>>>> because >>> >>>>>>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. >>> >>>>>>>> The >>> >>>>>>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like >>> to >>> >>>>>>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come >>> >>>>>>>> forward >>> >>>>>>>> with >>> >>>>>>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan >>> >>>>>>>> since >>> it >>> >>>>>>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking >>> >>>>>>>> down >>> >>>>>>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is >>> one >>> >>>>>>>> of >>> >>>>>>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system >>> by >>> >>>>>>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance >>> >>>>>>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. >>> >>>>>>>> While >>> >>>>>>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, >>> >>>>>>>> there's >>> >>>>>>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting >>> that >>> >>>>>>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been >>> >>>>>>>> brought >>> up >>> >>>>>>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. >>> We >>> >>>>>>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our >>> >>>>>>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, >>> >>>>>>>> Korea, >>> >>>>>>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive >>> >>>>>>>> side. >>> >>>>>>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we >>> are >>> >>>>>>>> not always in the right. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option >>> >>>>>>>>> they >>> >>>> have. >>> >>>>>>>> Free >>> >>>>>>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected] >>> > >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease >>> >>>>>>>>>> and >>> >>>>>>>>>> your >>> >>>>>>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you >>> cannot >>> >>>>>>>>>> buy >>> >>>>>>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing >>> >>>>>>>>>> condition"? >>> >>>> What >>> >>>>>>>>>> then, Markie Mark? >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of >>> our >>> >>>>>>>>>>> health >>> >>>>>>>>>>> care.@@@@ >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want >>> to >>> >>>>>>>>>>> be >>> >>>>>>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my >>> personal >>> >>>>>>>>>>> needs >>> >>>>>>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my >>> tank. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans >>> are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reform. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> insurance >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to >>> the >>> >>>> days >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> on >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would >>> get >>> >>>> sick, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> more. >>> >>>>>>>> When >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their >>> mortgage >>> >>>> and >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they >>> landed >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in >>> >>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> reforms >>> >>>> to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or >>> >>>> ideological >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> agenda. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said >>> we >>> >>>> were >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and >>> abuse, >>> >>>> for >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> because, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would >>> wait >>> >>>> no >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> longer for health reform. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> stand >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> up >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> for them again. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of >>> organizers >>> >>>> and >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. >>> >>>>>>>> Together, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> across >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress >>> focused >>> >>>> on >>> >>>>>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> future: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- >>> >>>> they're >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the >>> ditch >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of >>> whom >>> >>>> are >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Affordable >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Care >>> >>>>>>>> Act >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the >>> road >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with >>> them >>> >>>> now. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten >>> by >>> >>>> the >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works >>> to >>> >>>> grow >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and >>> keep >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> moving >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work >>> hard >>> >>>> to >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Director >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy >>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>> >>>>>>>>>> Tommy >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>>>>>>> For options& help see >>> >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>> >>>>>>>> Tommy >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>>>>>> For options& help see >>> >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> -- >>> >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>>>>> For options& help see >>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>>> For options& help see >>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> >>>> Have a great day, >>> >>>> Tommy >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>>> >>> >>>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Mark M. Kahle H. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> > >>> > * Visit our other community at >>> > http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >>> Have a great day, >>> Tommy >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at >>> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark M. Kahle H. >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more.
