Tommy, After you read the real numbers from the US Government Treasury below (please follow the links) your continued cry that Clinton left a surplus would make you an absolute and resolute liar. Facts are a bitch.
Here are the facts and how to find them regarding the bogus Clinton surplus as well as a quote from the leading Democratic Congressman of the time: *Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and saying surplus, surplus.* Look what we have done. *It is false. The actual figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had to borrow $127,800,000,000*. - *Democratic Senator Ernest Hollings, October 28, 1999* Fiscal YearYear EndingNational DebtDeficitFY1993 09/30/1993 $4.411488 trillion FY1994 09/30/1994 $4.692749 trillion $281.26 billionFY1995 09/29/1995 $4.973982 trillion $281.23 billionFY1996 09/30/1996 $5.224810 trillion $250.83 billion FY1997 09/30/1997 $5.413146 trillion $188.34 billionFY1998 09/30/1998 $5.526193 trillion $113.05 billionFY1999 09/30/1999 $5.656270 trillion $130.08 billion FY2000 09/29/2000 $5.674178 trillion $17.91 billionFY2001 09/28/2001 $5.807463 trillion $133.29 billion Looking at the makeup of the national debt and the claimed surpluses for the last 4 Clinton fiscal years, we have the following table: *Fiscal Year**End Date**Claimed Surplus**Public Debt**Intra-gov Holdings**Total National Debt*FY199709/30/1997 $3.789667T$1.623478T$5.413146TFY199809/30/1998$69.2B $3.733864T $55.8B$1.792328T $168.9B$5.526193T $113BFY199909/30/1999 $122.7B$3.636104T $97.8B$2.020166T $227.8B$5.656270T $130.1BFY2000 09/29/2000$230.0B$3.405303T $230.8B$2.268874T $248.7B$5.674178T $17.9B FY200109/28/2001 $3.339310T $66.0B$2.468153T $199.3B$5.807463T $133.3B 1. Go to the U.S. Treasury website: http://www.ustreas.gov/ 2. Click on "Bureaus": Takes you to http://www.ustreas.gov/bureaus/ 3. Click on "Bureau of the Public Debt": Takes you to http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/ 4. Scroll down to the section "The U.S. Public Debt" and click on "See the U.S. Public Debt to the Penny." 5. This takes you to the link: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:37 AM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > Wrong again, Fool. > > Clinton did indeed leave a surplus, which Dubya squandered away. > > Look it up. > > On 1/5/11, dick thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > > Fool, Clinton did not leave a surplus. The Bush recession you keep > > blabbing about started in 2000 under Clinton and was in its 3rd quarter > > when Bush was inaugurated. > > > > On 01/05/2011 10:17 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >> "Obamacare" is an offensive and misleading negative term. > >> > >> Government plans rarely come in on or under > >> budget. > >> W. Bush caused the gigantic deficit and squandered the Clinton > >> surplus. Yes, he did. > >> > >> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Tommy, > >>> > >>> Is it not a health care plan championed by Obama ?? On ewould think he > >>> would > >>> be PROUDER than a peacock to have his name so closely associated. > >>> > >>> Please list any and all Government plans that have come in on or under > >>> budget and accomplished at least 80% of their goals. > >>> > >>> I am waiting. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> That is a plain lie. > >>>> That is another plain lie. > >>>> That is yet another plain lie. > >>>> The derogatory term "Obamacare" is an offensive misnomer, and yet > >>>> another > >>>> lie. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 1/5/11, dick thompson<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> That is a plain lie. Your various insurance companies will have to > >>>>> offer the plan as defined by the administration, not the plan the > >>>>> individual may want or need. As an example I would have to buy a > plan > >>>>> that had neo-natal care and pregnancy care even though I am 70, > single > >>>>> and male. That is a change that makes no sense to me. As it stands > >>>>> now > >>>>> I can pick and choose what plan I want or even have a plan that > allows > >>>>> me to pay for most of my current needs and have in addition a plan > for > >>>>> catastrophic care. The Obamacare plan does not allow that at all. > >>>>> That is the lies and false smear that should be fought, not what the > >>>>> Republicans are talking about. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 01/05/2011 08:47 PM, Tommy News wrote: > >>>>>> Point is, Markie, those plans were unaffordable for many and > >>>>>> unobtainable for those with "pre-existing conditions" like cancer > and > >>>>>> other diseases, and even to pregnant women needing natal care. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In the United States, under President Obama's health reform bill, > your > >>>>>> ability to choose personally the people to be involved in your > health > >>>>>> care does not change one iota. Not one bit. You still have the exact > >>>>>> same feeedom of choice you had before. The Reich wing and the > >>>>>> corporate profiteers spread false lies about this and other > provisions > >>>>>> of the bill constantly. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Fight the lies and false smear! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>> Point is Tommy, the alternative was already in place. A free > >>>>>>> enterprise > >>>>>>> system that allowed every working man, woman in the US to choose > his > >>>>>>> or > >>>>>>> her > >>>>>>> own best policy. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We simply need to go back to that which worked and was the envy of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> world > >>>>>>> as far as health care was concerned. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I want the people I choose personally to be involved in my healthy > >>>>>>> care... I > >>>>>>> do not want to be in a healthcare "queue" managed by faceless > >>>> bureaucrats > >>>>>>> Check those social welfare systems in any socialized medicine > country > >>>> and > >>>>>>> see how many more people are eligible yet add in the numbers that > >>>>>>> literally > >>>>>>> die waiting. All of those countries have developed private systems > to > >>>>>>> serve > >>>>>>> the working man. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> Wrong. You are not everyone. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Does Mr Boehner know about whom he's speaking when he and any of > his > >>>>>>>> conservative cronies say "the American people". I think he and > they > >>>>>>>> mean "it has to be my way". I wonder what their consituents will > do > >>>>>>>> when they learn that they can't get the health care they need > >>>>>>>> because > >>>>>>>> insurance companies ... well, we all know about that part of it. > >>>>>>>> The > >>>>>>>> Republicans have been bitching and moaning about what they like to > >>>>>>>> derisively call "Obamacare", yet not one of them has come forward > >>>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>> a scintilla of an alternative. I doubt if they have a plan since > it > >>>>>>>> seems to me that they've mostly been concerned with knocking down > >>>>>>>> President Obama at every turn. Our health insurance system is one > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> the most cumbersome in the world, since it's really not a system > by > >>>>>>>> subject to the individual money-grabbing whims of the insurance > >>>>>>>> companies. We are supposedly the richest country in the world. > >>>>>>>> While > >>>>>>>> we spend mountains of moolah on every kind of war effort, there's > >>>>>>>> never any money to take care of our citizens. It's interesting > that > >>>>>>>> in all this talk about saving money, it's never once been brought > up > >>>>>>>> that perhaps we should cut back in the war mongering department. > We > >>>>>>>> say we're a peace-loving nation. Our actions do not back up our > >>>>>>>> words. I was born in 1940 and have lived through 5 wars (WW2, > >>>>>>>> Korea, > >>>>>>>> Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan). That seems a bit on the excessive > >>>>>>>> side. > >>>>>>>> I think it's important to remember that when it comes to war we > are > >>>>>>>> not always in the right. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, Mark<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> I bought the "rider" on my policy.... that is not an option they > >>>> have. > >>>>>>>> Free > >>>>>>>>> enterprise means getting what you pay for. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Tommy News<[email protected]> > >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Markie Mark Mark- > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> And what happens when you get cancer or some other disease and > >>>>>>>>>> your > >>>>>>>>>> insurance company "death panel" drops your policy and you cannot > >>>>>>>>>> buy > >>>>>>>>>> another policy because you now have a "pre-existing condition"? > >>>> What > >>>>>>>>>> then, Markie Mark? > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On 1/5/11, THE ANNOINTED ONE<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>> @@@@ they want to put insurance companies back in charge of our > >>>>>>>>>>> health > >>>>>>>>>>> care.@@@@ > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> You bet I want that. I work hard and pay my own bills. I want > to > >>>>>>>>>>> be > >>>>>>>>>>> able to hire any one or any company I choose to meet my > personal > >>>>>>>>>>> needs > >>>>>>>>>>> whether it is health care or which gas station to fill my tank. > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 5, 2:13 pm, Tommy News<[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>>>> The dire negative consequences of health reform repeal > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> From Mitch Stewart, BarackObama . com > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Our progress is under attack. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Their majority is not even a day old, but House Republicans > are > >>>>>>>>>>>> already getting ready to pass a bill to repeal health reform. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Instead of focusing on the future, they want to put insurance > >>>>>>>>>>>> companies back in charge of our health care. To go back to the > >>>> days > >>>>>>>>>>>> when these companies could deny coverage to children based on > >>>>>>>>>>>> pre-existing conditions, cancel coverage when people would get > >>>> sick, > >>>>>>>>>>>> or limit the care you could receive -- even when you needed > >>>>>>>>>>>> more. > >>>>>>>> When > >>>>>>>>>>>> seniors would be forced to choose between paying their > mortgage > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>> paying for their prescription drugs, simply because they > landed > >>>>>>>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> "donut hole" in coverage. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> They want to turn our progress into a partisan fight. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> But you and I know that the Affordable Care Act and other > >>>>>>>>>>>> reforms > >>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> protect consumers did not pass because of a partisan or > >>>> ideological > >>>>>>>>>>>> agenda. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> They passed because millions of Americans stood up and said we > >>>> were > >>>>>>>>>>>> ready for commonsense solutions after years of fraud and > abuse, > >>>> for > >>>>>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>>>>> new era of responsibility after unchecked power. They passed > >>>>>>>>>>>> because, > >>>>>>>>>>>> after 100 years of debate and negotiation, we said we would > wait > >>>> no > >>>>>>>>>>>> longer for health reform. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> These reforms passed because of you. Now, we must prepare to > >>>>>>>>>>>> stand > >>>>>>>>>>>> up > >>>>>>>>>>>> for them again. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America is pulling together a team of > organizers > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to defend reform -- and we need you on this team. > >>>>>>>> Together, > >>>>>>>>>>>> we'll show how our progress is already improving lives across > >>>>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> country -- and take on those who are pushing for repeal. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Join the fight to protect our progress and keep Congress > focused > >>>> on > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> future: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> It's clear that's not where House Republicans are looking -- > >>>> they're > >>>>>>>>>>>> putting the car in reverse and heading straight toward the > ditch > >>>>>>>>>>>> that > >>>>>>>>>>>> we just spent two years climbing out of. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> As the President said this week, we are still emerging from a > >>>>>>>>>>>> recession that took a toll on millions of families, many of > whom > >>>> are > >>>>>>>>>>>> still trying to get their lives back on track. The Affordable > >>>>>>>>>>>> Care > >>>>>>>> Act > >>>>>>>>>>>> and Wall Street reform were important steps forward on the > road > >>>>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> recovery, and we can't afford to play political games with > them > >>>> now. > >>>>>>>>>>>> We have an obligation to ensure our progress is not rewritten > by > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>>>> insurance industry and big banks. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> This year, we'll need to stand by the President as he works to > >>>> grow > >>>>>>>>>>>> our economy, make the United States more competitive, and keep > >>>>>>>>>>>> moving > >>>>>>>>>>>> the country forward -- but we're also going to have to work > hard > >>>> to > >>>>>>>>>>>> defend what we have already achieved. > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Join the campaign to protect our progress: > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> http://my.barackobama.com/ProtectOurProgress7 > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitch Stewart > >>>>>>>>>>>> Director > >>>>>>>>>>>> Organizing for America > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tommy > >>>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>>>>>>> For options& help see > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>>>>>> Tommy > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>>>>>> For options& help see > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>>>>> For options& help see > >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>>>>>> Have a great day, > >>>>>>>> Tommy > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>>>> For options& help see > >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Mark M. Kahle H. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>>>> For options& help see > http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>>> > >>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > >>>> Have a great day, > >>>> Tommy > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>>> > >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Mark M. Kahle H. > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > >>> For options& help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > >>> > >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > >>> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > >>> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > >> > > > > -- > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > > > -- > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. > Have a great day, > Tommy > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. > -- Mark M. Kahle H. -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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