No again. Civil Unions and Domestic Partnerships are lesser, unequal contracts that do not afford all the same 1,238 rights and benefits as civil marriage does.
On 1/9/11, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > Once again you use the word in a manner not allowed by law.... simply change > that word. > There are no prohibitions against "civil unions" or their ability to reap > all the rewards. The word "marriage" implies the ability to procreate.... > you do NOT have that ability. > > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Markie Mark- >> >> Wrong again. There are over 1,300 codified laws and privleges directly >> concerning civil marriage and marriage contracts. Those laws concern >> the ACT and contract, and NOT the "one word" as you falsely claim. >> >> On 1/9/11, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Tommy, tommy , tooooooommmmmmmyyyyyy, >> > >> > Government has NOT codified "Marriage" as you are using it. They have >> simply >> > defined the word "marriage" (not the act of being "joined" legally, >> civilly >> > or religiously. >> > >> > Read the statute... it is all about the definition of ONE word... NOT >> > the >> > act. >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 8:22 PM, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> Wrong again, Keithie Keith Keith. >> >> >> >> I suggest you take a good look at the 14th Amendment again, and at the >> >> recent court rulings on DOMA and Prop 8, and you will see that you are >> >> incorrect. >> >> >> >> Civil marriage is not Religious marriage, and I suggest you get that >> >> simple concept through your thick offensive anti-gay animus filled >> >> homophobic skull. >> >> >> >> As long as the government codifies civil marriage, all citizens must >> >> be included in those laws equally regardless of gender. Anything less >> >> is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and unjust. Churches are then >> >> free to bless those civil marriages or not as they choose. There are >> >> plenty of Progressive churches that will. >> >> >> >> You are repeating your false Reich wing spin, Lil' Keithie Keith. >> >> >> >> On 1/8/11, Keith In Köln <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > DOMA is very much Constitutional, This is where folks try and >> redefine >> >> the >> >> > term and concept of marriage, which is a ecclisastical function. Tom >> >> > and >> >> > most militant Gays who wish to force their lifestyle down Americans' >> >> > proverbial throats, (Note how Tom defined and described the term >> >> > "Gay" >> >> > above, yet a few days ago was attempting to claim that the term, >> >> > "Gay" >> >> had >> >> > nothing at all to do with sexuality) want to redefine the term and >> >> concept >> >> > of marriage, in order to force their secularist beliefs upon the >> >> > American >> >> > public. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:27 AM, GregfromBoston >> >> > <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Tell the president. I did >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 7, 9:22 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > Yes, Greg. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I believe that DOMA is indeed unconstitutuional. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On 1/7/11, GregfromBoston <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > Well Tom, you just echoed the court on why DOMA is >> >> >> > > unconstitutional. >> >> >> > > It IS. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > On Jan 7, 8:22 pm, Tommy News <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> > >> Markie Mark- >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> Your statements are naive and you are clearly uneducated. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> At the time the Constitution was written in the late 18th >> Century, >> >> >> "gay" >> >> >> > >> simply meant festive, happy, or beautiful, and the term had >> >> >> > >> nothing >> >> >> > >> to >> >> >> do >> >> >> > >> with sexuality whatsoever. Since the term did not refer to >> >> >> same-gendered >> >> >> > >> "friendship", which was the term used for same gender >> >> >> > >> relationships >> >> >> > >> at >> >> >> > >> that >> >> >> > >> time, the term "gay" does not exist in the Constitution at all, >> as >> >> >> > >> the >> >> >> > >> term >> >> >> > >> as we now use it did not exist. In fact, in the 1780's, Sex was >> >> >> > >> rarely >> >> >> > >> ever >> >> >> > >> discussed or mentioned at all outside of close private >> encounters >> >> >> between >> >> >> > >> "friends" and couples behind closed doors. The Constitution >> does, >> >> >> however, >> >> >> > >> state in the 14th amendment that discrimination against any >> >> >> > >> citizen >> >> >> > >> is >> >> >> > >> unlawful: " All persons born or naturalized in the United >> States, >> >> and >> >> >> > >> subject to the jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> thereof, are >> >> >> citizens of >> >> >> > >> the United States and of the State wherein they reside.( No ) >> >> >> > >> State >> >> >> shall >> >> >> > >> make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or >> >> >> immunities >> >> >> > >> of >> >> >> > >> citizens of the United States; nor shall any State >> >> >> > >> deprive<glossary.html#DEPRIVE>any person of life, liberty, or >> >> >> > >> property, without due >> >> >> > >> process <consttop_duep.html> of law; nor deny to any person >> within >> >> >> > >> its >> >> >> > >> jurisdiction <glossary.html#JURIS> the equal protection of the >> >> laws." >> >> >> > >> Therefore, the current unequal second calss citizen status of >> gays >> >> in >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> United States is unlawful, unconstitutional, and >> >> >> > >> discriminatory. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> So there you have it, Markie. I hope that this lesson in >> etymology >> >> >> > >> and >> >> >> the >> >> >> > >> Constitution enlightens you somewhat. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 10:58 AM, THE ANNOINTED ONE >> >> >> > >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Tommy, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Please list all rights as enumerated in the Constitution that >> >> Gays >> >> >> > >> > (etc) do not have. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > You constantly harp about "RIGHTS" .... You never list them. >> >> >> > >> > Just >> >> >> what >> >> >> > >> > are those "Rights" that you feel are absent in your life that >> >> >> > >> > others >> >> >> > >> > have. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Please DO NOT list "Privileges" or "Licenses" that can only >> >> >> > >> > be >> >> >> granted >> >> >> > >> > on a State level. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > ONLY "Rights" are meant to be universal... The different >> >> >> "privileges" >> >> >> > >> > and "licenses" that are left to the "Several States" are not >> >> >> > >> > now >> >> >> nor >> >> >> > >> > were they ever meant to be, "Rights". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Each State is in itself "Sovereign" with local rules being >> that >> >> >> which >> >> >> > >> > makes a State attractive to one and repulsive to another. (I >> >> would >> >> >> > >> > NEVER live in Texas) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Traffic laws, Domestic violence laws, noise laws, land use >> laws, >> >> >> > >> > marriage/divorce laws, and even the death penalty laws ALL >> vary >> >> >> > >> > from >> >> >> > >> > State to State because the "Several States" have the "Right" >> to >> >> >> > >> > make >> >> >> > >> > it so. They must bow to to will of the people in that State >> >> >> > >> > as >> >> long >> >> >> as >> >> >> > >> > it does not interfere with one of the Federally Guaranteed >> >> >> > >> > and >> >> >> > >> > Constitutionally enumerated "Rights". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > Just which of your Constitutionally Guaranteed and Enumerated >> >> >> "Rights" >> >> >> > >> > are you lacking ?? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > I'll wait for the list and your personal explanation for >> >> >> > >> > each. >> >> Then >> >> >> we >> >> >> > >> > can discuss it. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > I am anxiously awaiting your well thought-out and accurate >> >> >> (remember, >> >> >> > >> > Constitutionally Enumerated "Right") list to begin an earnest >> >> >> > >> > discussion. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > -- >> >> >> > >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> >> > >> > For options & help seehttp:// >> >> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > * Visit our other community >> >> >> > >> > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/< >> http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> >> >> > >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >> >> > >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> -- >> >> >> > >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> >> > >> Have a great day, >> >> >> > >> Tommy- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> - Show quoted text - >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > -- >> >> >> > > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> >> > > For options & help seehttp:// >> groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > * Visit our other community >> >> >> > > athttp://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> >> >> > > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >> >> > > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> >> > Have a great day, >> >> >> > Tommy- Hide quoted text - >> >> >> > >> >> >> > - Show quoted text - >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> >> >> >> * Visit our other community at >> >> >> http://www.PoliticalForum.com/<http://www.politicalforum.com/> >> >> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >> >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> > >> >> > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> >> Have a great day, >> >> Tommy >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Mark M. Kahle H. >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> > >> > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> >> >> -- >> Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. >> Have a great day, >> Tommy >> >> -- >> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >> >> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >> * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. >> * Read the latest breaking news, and more. >> > > > > -- > Mark M. Kahle H. > > -- > Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. > For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum > > * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ > * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. > * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -- Together, we can change the world, one mind at a time. Have a great day, Tommy -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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