+1 on setting up SRS, it helps with Gmail and I believe ARC does too
(although I don't have hard data on this). Interesting note about postgrey,
I didn't think that was effective any longer but maybe it is.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 9:01 PM Doug Hardie via Postfix-users <
postfix-users@postfix.org> wrote:

> On Feb 7, 2024, at 17:23, Alex via Postfix-users <
> postfix-users@postfix.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm hoping I could ask for some advice. We have a pretty large percentage
> of users who forward mail through our systems to personal Gmail accounts.
> Sometimes it is mail from bulk senders like mailgun and lanyon/cvent.
>
> Would ARC help here, or is DKIM enough for DMARC alignment with forwarded
> messages? Perhaps ARC will help in those cases where DKIM fails with
> forwarded messages? Is it used on the sending server or on the relay? Is it
> installed using a milter alongside openSPF/DKIM using openarc?
> https://github.com/trusteddomainproject/OpenARC/issues/139
>
> I've also thought about implementing SRS over the years, but it has its
> own problems, so I wondered if people were still implementing that?
>
> This has become particularly important with the recent news about Google
> requiring senders (or forwarders, in my case) to do more to ensure delivery.
>
> https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?visit_id=638429520681370280-1110640002&rd=1#zippy=%2Crequirements-for-all-senders
>
>
> I won't claim to be an expert on this, but I have the same situation
> except I am forwarding mail to dozens of different MTAs.  GMail is the most
> popular destination.  I ran into numerous problems with forwarding to
> Google until I implemented SRS.  postsrsd works fine.  However, even after
> that, I still had long delays in forwarding mail.  Recently I added
> postgrey into the mix.  I didn't expect it to do much.  Back in the early
> 2000s, it eliminated about 90% of received mail and really helped the spam
> problem.  However, as storage space became cheaper and larger, its
> effectiveness went way down.  Five years ago or so, I no longer saw and
> improvement from greylisting and removed it.  I just added it back a few
> days ago, and the number of delayed emails dropped to almost zero.  mailq
> shows only 2 emails waiting.  That is very unusual as usually it was around
> 100.  I have never tried ARC, DKIM, or DMARC.  I suppose that somewhere
> down the road I will need to start down those paths.
>
> -- Doug
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