> On 6/29/16 3:13 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: > >>> On 6/29/16 2:30 PM, Michael J Wise wrote: >>> >>>>> I will read up on it. Thank you for the link. >>>>> >>>>> Not everyone, I think, who visits this list is an engineer. >>>> In that you are mistaken. >>>> >>>> Almost everyone who subscribes to this mailing-list is an engineer. >>>> Please re-read that line. >>>> >>>> This mailing list is for people who need to configure or make changes >>>> to >>>> the configuration of a Mail Transfer Agent called Postfix. >>>> Some people here actually suggest software changes, since the author >>>> of >>>> the system is present on the list. >>>> >>>> Pretty much everyone here is an engineer. >>> I could be wrong, but I expect that many of the folks here are NOT >>> engineers. >> I guess it depends on one's definition of, "Engineer". >> It can cover a lot of ground.
> Well... for purposes of discussion, let's restrict "Engineer" to mean > someone who: All of the following, or just a few? Many *VERY* large corporations don't require some or all of these to put, "Engineer" on your business card. This is not the case all over the planet, but in many places, like the USA, it most certainly is. One has to have a global perspective on such issues. > - has a degree in an engineering or engineering related technical field > - has, at one time or another, held a position that included the word > "Engineer" in his/her title > - actually done some engineering along the way (be it R&D or development) > - with some allowance for special cases who don't meet all of the above > (example: Ray Kurzweil has an MIT degree, in MUSIC - I'd certainly > consider him an engineer, and then some) > - on the other hand, I wouldn't consider someone with a business degree, > even with an MIS concentration, to be an Engineer - even though that's a > fairly common background for CIOs and MIS Directors (and maybe sys > admins?), you wouldn't hire them to design system software or network gear It's a lot looser a definition in many places. For the purposes of this list and similar, I'd define "Engineer" to also include someone reasonably competent enough to make changes to the Postfix config files and not break stuff irreparably. It would for all intents and purposes be equivalent to SysAdmin. Or BOFH. Someone who, for example, can telnet to port 25 and get the mail delivered. > - let's NOT include train drivers :-) Let's not. But this is grossly off-topic for the list, so I won't have anything further to say on the issue. Feel free to declare victory and move on. Aloha mai Nai`a. -- " So this is how Liberty dies ... http://kapu.net/~mjwise/ " To Thunderous Applause.
