Michael Madigan wrote: > Satan was created by God and given free will. >
Actually the angel's name was Lucifer. I think Satan comes from the arab word Shaitan which means demon. > > --- Ricardo Aráoz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Charlie Coleman wrote: >>> At 08:51 PM 1/23/2007 -0300, Ricardo Aráoz wrote: >>> >>>>> Some things in Biblical teaching don't sound >> 'fair' to me. But I will >>>>> submit my sense of fairness to God's, >>>> Nnnnope! You will submit your sense of fairness >> to the biblical >>>> teachings. Not necessarily the same thing. >>> Wait. I believe Biblical teachings are God's >> Words. There is a lot of >>> complexity in that concept I know. This could >> start the whole thread of >>> "...the Bible was defined by men..." and "...there >> are secret writings the >>> power mongers took out..." etc (that recent Da >> Vinci Code movie has caused >>> a lot of stir in this arena, as ridiculous and >> baseless as the facts in the >>> movie were...<sigh>). Anyway, I don't want to go >> down the Biblical >>> authenticity debate road (I'm pressed for time >> just responding to these >>> messages). >>> >>> So, I do mean I want to submit my sense of >> fairness to God's. I believe the >>> Bible reflects it, but I can't say I understand >> with complete, 100% >>> certainty everything contained in the Bible. In >> the end, I want God's will >>> to be done regardless of whether or not I've >> misinterpreted some portion of >>> scripture. >>> >>>>> whereas you reject God's existence >>>>> because he doesn't fit your sense of logic. >>>> BTW, I don't reject god's existence, I just think >> the god you described >>>> is too limited. You froze him/her/it in time, you >> won't allow him/her/it >>>> to change. You won't allow him/her/it free will >> (which he/her/it grants >>>> you). You want to state what he/her/it can or >> cannot do. You want a god >>>> to your own size. I think you're headed for a big >> surprise, or not (you >>>> might just die). >>> I hope I didn't offend. My general phrase of ".... >> because he doesn't fit >>> your sense of logic..." was directed toward the >> general group of atheists >>> (well, maybe to Ed because I think I was >> responding to his text directly). >>> But you bring up an interesting point. And I would >> say all believers >>> struggle with it. We put expectations on God based >> on our own >>> understanding. But because of our current world, >> we can only interpret and >>> suppose based on what we know. It may end up I'll >> meet Buddah and Muhammed >>> in Heaven and we'll have a long discussion on how >> I misunderstood things >>> down on Earth. All I can say is the beliefs I've >> arrived at so far have >>> come from my study of the Bible, research into >> other religions, and lots of >>> prayer. >>> >>> For even more fun, do you deny that God could >> limit Himself if He so chose? >>> In other words, if He made a Covenant with humans, >> do you think He would >>> stick to it? >>> >> If he is really omnipotent, and always tells the >> truth (though that >> would be a limitation to his omnipotence), then I >> think he would never >> have the desire to do that as that would put limits >> to him and hence >> he'd no longer be omnipotent (that supposing he is >> limited by logic, if >> he is not then I can say nothing about him, nor can >> you. That is what >> some religions state, that you can say nothing about >> god). Once you >> start playing with concepts like Omnipotence, >> eternity, etc. you get >> into contradictions very easily. >> >> Taking it yet to another level. Have you noticed >> that everything is >> within god, that god is everywhere, that everything >> came from and >> through god? Then it follows that the devil also >> came from and through >> god, and god is also in hell. And before you go into >> uncharted territory >> I'd like to remind you that god gave humans free >> will, he did not give >> free will to his angels. >> >> >>> -Charlie >>> >>> >>> [excessive quoting removed by server] _______________________________________________ Post Messages to: ProFox@leafe.com Subscription Maintenance: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profox OT-free version of this list: http://leafe.com/mailman/listinfo/profoxtech ** All postings, unless explicitly stated otherwise, are the opinions of the author, and do not constitute legal or medical advice. This statement is added to the messages for those lawyers who are too stupid to see the obvious.
